Foley continues support for greyhounds as fight reaches climax

NEW South Wales opposition leader Luke Foley is urging all State Nationals MPs to join with Labor as the fight to save the greyhound racing industry reaches the eleventh hour.

Legislation to ban the sport within NSW from July 1, 2017, as announced by Premier Mike Baird earlier this month, is expected to go before parliament on Tuesday. On the same day, thousands of supporters from the greyhound industry are set to hold a rally at Hyde Park and present a petition opposing the ban to Foley.

With the petition thought to have close to 30,000 signatures within a matter of weeks, Foley said it sends a clear message.

“It reveals that the good people in the greyhound industry have a lot of community support,” Foley told Australian Racing Greyhound.

“What impact it will have on the parliamentary vote I don’t know and I have to make the point that expressions of sympathy from members of parliament are nice, but ultimately useless…MPs need to vote against the ban.

“I have had private discussions with a number of [National Party MPs] and I am encouraging them to work with us to save this industry and to give it a future operating to very high standards of animal welfare.

“But at this stage I just don’t know how many will come with us.”

Foley was highly critical of National Party Leader Troy Grant, the Deputy Premier and Minister for Racing, for agreeing to go along with Baird’s ban which will result in the loss of more than 1700 full time jobs, more than 1000 of which are in regional areas.

“I think this entire exercise reflects badly on Mr Grant…[he] has completely sold out regional communities,” Foley said.

“A majority of tracks are in the bush…for the life of me I cannot understand a National Party leader supporting a shut down of an industry that is worth $335 million a year in our state and provides pleasure to many tens of thousands of people.

“I can understand that greyhound racing has never formed part of Mike Baird’s life experience, but there is no excuse for the National Party leader because greyhound racing is an important part of the social fabric of so many country towns.

“He should not have allowed the Liberal leader to get away with this.”

Foley also slammed the controlling body of the sport, Greyhound Racing NSW (GRNSW), for failing to ensure animal welfare and integrity standards were maintained at a high level.

“The good people, the thousands of good men and women, have been let down by their regulator,” he said.

“There is nothing inherently cruel about greyhound racing as such. If there has been a failure to stamp out acts of animal cruelty then that has been a failure of the government appointed regulator.

“Particularly when you consider government coffers are boosted by over $30 million every year by revenue from greyhound racing, it is a government responsibility to ensure that our laws, regulations and resources are there to ensure animal welfare is protected.

“Many people are shattered and devastated… people are still shocked and somewhat disbelieving… I am commonly asked how this can happen in a free and democratic country, that an entire industry is outlawed by a government?

“…it was done in a sneaky and underhanded way.”

Foley re-iterated that a total closure of the industry would have a devastating impact, with the Labor Party leader confident that there are steps which could be taken to clean up the sport.

“I think the industry has to be given a chance,” Foley said.

“I do think there is a model there that can work into the future. An integrity commission that looks after the regulatory functions and is seperate to a body like GRNSW which looks after the corporate end is a sensible suggestion.

“It’s obscene that they are looking to partner with a crematorium, such will be the level of wastage under Mr Baird’s plan.

“What the Premier tells us is an animal welfare plan will probably see the mass slaughter of up to 12,000 greyhounds.

“There are a range of options for the future and none of them have to involve a total shutdown of the industry next year and I am very critical of the fact that Mr Baird and Mr Grant have failed to consider options beyond a total shutdown at the end of June.”

Past Discussion

  1. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/mike-bairds-premiership-is-rooted-in-family-and-faith/news-story/0b544a2ca453fd61afcb1c96e69722a6

    CHRISTIANITY AND POLITICS AND THE SALE OF THE ENTIRE ELECTRICITY SUPPLY OF NSW……………bugger,why did O’FARRELL lose that bet.

    and the opening story of the DADS FRIEND who lost his son in a car accident.

    just posted a VID on a guy called MARK….a dog guy,heart condition,lose his dogs he gives up his battle for life.

    WHY NOT GIVE HIM A VISIT MIKE BAIRD.

    and for GODS sake, Christianity is the topic of the year presently.

    don’t have a lot of happy days in his life actually,does he.

    FOLEY, go get ’em son.

  2.       

      :DAILY TELEGRAPH SUNDAY…..

      ” A government source said Mr Grant would not support a conscience vote, but would use the party room meeting to go over the facts of the report “

      ” Mr Baird would use an EXTRAORDINARY meeting of the Liberals tomorrow to do the same and remind everyone this is pure and simple about animal cruelty the source stated

    WELL,WELL WELL, THE Indians ARE IN pow-wow status.

    obviously trying to appease everyone,and it looks like wont be easy to get those floor walk crossovers?

    sure our legal beagle has considered this move….come on TUESDAY.

    I am off to church now.

  3. GRANT IS A BLIND GOOSE.

    how many times does he have to be instructed HIS PRECIOUS REPORT IS FLAWED…..and if the members believe that,then god help them all.

    is that sheep I see jumping in yonder meadow?nice formation there lads.

  4. Will you be doing a story on Janet Silver being disqualified for 9 months due to poor conditions of her stables and such poor treatment of one greyhound it had to be put down? Is this the ‘bad apple’ people keep mentioning? … I always find it funny, you never hear those in the industry call people out by name, those who are dragging the industry down. Don’t dob in your mates hey? Why not call her a scumbag  …. anyone who treats a greyhound so poorly it has to be put down deserves more than 9 months disqualification … 

  5. THIS STORY COMES OUT SUNDAY AT 8pm YET AGAIN THE ABC SOME HOW
    GETS THE PHOTOS AND STORY
    READ THE STORY ITS BAD BUT WHY WASNT HIS KENNELS INSPECTED BY THE DODGY PAUL NEWSON

    POINT 1 WHY DIDNT PAUL NEWSON HAVE THE KENNELS INSPECTED BY GRNSW OFFICER LOOKS LIKE THERE IS NO KENNELS AT ALL IN THE SHED

    2. THIS BLOKE WAS CAUGHT AUGUST 2015 A YR AGO AMD THEN CHARGED
    MARCH THIS YEAR BUT NOTHING REPORTED ON GRNSW WEBSITE

    3.THE GUY HAS HAD ONE DOG RACE IN 2015 SAME DOG ONLY 4 TIMES SO OTHER 4 DOGS WERE PETS AS THEY ARE NOT RACE DOGS

    4. WHY IS THIS ONLY COMING OUT NOW TROY GRANT YOU PIECE OF CRAP YOU ARE THE RACING MINISTER YOU CLEARLY DO A SHITT JOB AS DOES PAUL NEWSON ….

    5.PAUL YOU AND YOUR JERK MATES MIKE BAIRD AND TROY GRANT CAUSED THIS BY NOT DOING YOUR JOBS PROPERLY ITS NOT THE FAULT OF EVERYONE ELSE DOING THE RIGHT THING EDDIE OBEID,MICHAEL COBB,TONY PACKARD,TROY MORRIS,THOMAS LEY,DON LANE,BRIAN AUSTIN AND THE MASSIVE LIST GOES ON HAVENT YOU GRUBS LOST YOUR SOCIAL LICENCE CORUPT POLLIE’S LETS SHUT YOU LOT DOWN ALSO OBVIOUSLY A FEW BAD POLLIES CANT BE TRUSTED HOW IS PAULS NEW FLASH JOB LOOKING AFTER THIS MESS YOU MONGRALS

    6. HOW DID PAUL NEWSON APPROVE THE KENNELS AT THIS PROPERTY PAUL YOU DOG THIS IS ON YOU

    Greyhound racing: Animal cruelty images further validate industry shut-down, NSW Government says
    BY DAVID SPICER
    UPDATED SUN JUL 31 20:35:27 EST 2016
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    Photographic evidence from RSPCA of greyhound mistreatment
    PHOTO Photographic evidence given from the RSPCA showed the mistreatment of greyhounds.
    SUPPLIED: RSPCA
    The New South Wales Government has seized on the release of photographs showing animal cruelty by a greyhound trainer as further evidence of the need to close down the industry.

    The photographic evidence from the RSPCA has been released after greyhound trainer John Thomas Baskett was convicted for animal cruelty in March.

    The case arose after inspectors of the RSPCA and Greyhound Racing NSW raided a shed in Marsden Park in western Sydney which housed five greyhounds in August last year.

    According to a statement of facts tendered in court, they found an overpowering stench, poor ventilation, almost no light and dogs sleeping on mud.

    RSPCA Chief Inspector David O’Shannessy, said “that one dog [called Bossey] was lame … hopping around on three legs”.

    Photographic evidence of greyhound mistreatment
    PHOTO Baskett was convicted in March on one count of failing to provide veterinary treatment to an animal.

    SUPPLIED: RSPCA
    Deputy Premier Troy Grant said “as the evidence continues to mount of horrific mistreatment of greyhounds, it continues to erode the industry’s claim that we are looking at a couple of bad apples”.

    “Turning a blind eye to this sort of behaviour is just as intolerable as inflicting this sort of cruelty yourself,” he said.

    Baskett, a registered greyhound trainer since 2002, was convicted in March on one count of failing to provide veterinary treatment to an animal under the prevention of cruelty to animals act.

    Inspector O’Shannessy said Bossey was severely underweight and “close examination by the vet confirmed there was an injury to that right rear leg and it was also painful to touch. The dog was also found to have grade two dental disease”.

    In a statement tendered to court, Baskett said he intended to take the dog to the vet in the week of the raid.

    Photographic evidence from the RSPCA of greyhound mistreatment
    PHOTO RSPCA’s photographic evidence of the greyhound’s dental disease.

    SUPPLIED: RSPCA
    However, Inspector O’Shannessy said it was the opinion of a vet that treatment was needed two weeks before the animal was seized.

    He added that the RSPCA often uncovered similar problems in the greyhound racing industry.

    “There appears to be incidences of animals requiring treatment yet the owners, whether it’s for cost or finances, make their own self diagnosis and that is often a misdiagnosis.”

    Baskett was forced to pay a total of almost ,000 in fines, legal fees and vet costs, but was allowed to keep the greyhound. The shed has since been demolished.

    The shed that mistreated greyhounds were kept in
    PHOTO The squalid shed that mistreated greyhounds were kept in.

    SUPPLIED: RSPCA
    State Opposition Leader Luke Foley urged the Government to “throw the book at those who do the wrong thing, but look after the thousands of good men and women in the industry”.

    “Labor will move in the Parliament for mandatory life bans and prison terms for anyone who engages in the despicable act of life baiting,” he said.

    Legislation to close down the greyhound racing industry will be introduced into the NSW Parliament next week.

  6. DaveSampson75 we as trainers totally agree dave its the GOVERNMENT giving these poor disqualifcations to the people doing the wrong thing

    Paul Newson was put into GRNSW by MIKE BAIRD AND THE RACING MINISTER TROY GRANT the public don’t see this as a failed GOVERNMENT just failed greyhound people owners and trainers ect why do you think dave we as trainers and owners are so PISsSED off

  7. dogem53 Church bahaha you may see Mike Baird there he in bed with Hillsong Brian Huston whos old man is a pedophile old mikey baird don’t

    mind who he jumps into bed with !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. DaveSampson75 well dave, lets see.

    how many OTHER BREEDS have similar owners doing cruel things to there animals?no one can control all of them DAVE.

    vids showing neighbours smashing dogs on table tops,hanging up by there necks,kicking,smothering, you bloody well name it.just passes in the night and virtually a slap on the wrist for doing such deeds.

    BUT OH NO DAVE, a greyhound mistreated makes world news,and the local feeder the all conquering ABC who needs shock and awe to even get a few people to watch its station,leads the pack with well organised and corrupted participants pre-planning disclosures. WITH GUYS LIKE BAIRD GETTING ALL ERECTILE OVER IT.

    this is the problem with people like you dave. you are a SEPERATIST prepared to be emotionaly fed by the hunger of BAD GREY NEWS,organised meals by the AA groups.

    wonder if people like you take an interest in what else goes on in this world? doubt it, because most people with a perverted tunnel vision, can only look directly ahead and miss what is really going on.

    get a tad of fairness in ya son,otherwise you just may become like those who love taking pics of themselves. you may become VEIN dave.

    get with the real world and see things in a proper mind set.

  9. DaveSampson75 I CHALLENGE YOU dave TO BACK YOUR KEYBOARD.

    IF YOU KNOW NAMES,  CALL THEM OUT……..before there court cases come up.

    bet you don’t son. no one with a brain would. its a simple reason why they don’t.

    ask DERRYN HINCH that same question son. simpleton you are.

  10. impact impact.

    this is where NEWSON is a dumb arse,

    IT WAS ON HIS WATCH. WHY DID HE NOT REACT AND TAKECHARGE AND DO WHAT HE NOW SAYS WAS ”NEVER DONE” BY GRNSW……..what an absolute clutz this guy is.

    NEWSON……IT WAS ON YOUR WATCH….YOU GOT PAID TO DO A JOB,AND YOU REFUSED TO FOLLOW UP……NOT US LOOKING BAD SON, IT IS YOU. UNDERSTAND IT IS YOU.

  11. DaveSampson75 AND DAVE.

    HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE PADDOCK OF HORSES LEFT MALNOURISHED RECENTLY IN VICTORIA> OF COURSE YOU HAVE,TUNNEL VISION DOES THAT,BUT BECAUSE ITS NOT A GREY HOUND STORY,YOU BYPASS SUCH DETAILS.

    you are a foll DAVE, but keep coming back, we enjoy your small contributions.

  12. I can see more DRIP-FED TO ABC stories coming over next few weeks.

    this is a planned attack by BAIRD.GRANT.NEWSON/AA for sure. instead of reacting when these incidents happened,they have held back for this commission report to be handed down,knowing full well we would kick up a storm,then slowly drip-feed these types of stories to smear any attempts to get it over turned.

    THIS IS CALLED PARLIAMENTARY PRIVILIGE…..protected under there so called benefits of being in parliament,to slur,lie,slander and destroy. they have done this on many subjects over time. THEY ARE POLITICIANS people, remember them?

    so now we shall see whether any one of the so called disgruntled members, do OVER LOOK THE OBVIOUS PLANNED ATTACK ON THE INDUSTRY,and see it as it should be.

    if they get shocked by DELAYED VIDS,then they cannot see past a day in there lives. to much information to delve deeper into why NEWSON did not react when this and other cases occurred. if I was them,i would be CALLING OUT LOUDLY why,on NEWSONS WATCH did action not occur. why leave it to now. I see this as a SET-UP.

    any one of them that intelligent to see past this?

    lets sit back and see. my mind is already made up.

  13. Dave who’s the scumbags in this promotion of the RSPCA last night on the ABC ,where else. A story on a trainer alleged miss treatment of his Greyhounds and he was prosecuted and Fined suspend by GRNSW . Now if this person was deemed unfit why was his Greyhounds handed back to him by the RSPCA ?.Dave I was part of a Team  of Council Rangers, RSPCA Inspectors  who raided a puppy farm at Charmhaven on the Central Coast some few years ago the conditions these poor dogs were under were just hideous 35 puppies in  3ft above ground outside swimming pool surround ,small bitches with week old pups in caravans and old buses  altogether over 60 dogs and pups on this property .I than ask the RSPCA inspector heading the raid what’s the next step, i was stunned by his reply which was they have plenty of water and food (just Kibble) and there’s nothing we can do. While working for Wyong Council they came under fire for  passing dogs on,  that were on death row at the pound to Sydney University for experiments, I said at the time and being the united services union head union delegate of the outside staff it was time that all at Council changed their work practice in the area of animal welfare . With the help of Counclilors The Pound was completely rebuilt with  exercise  yards for all dogs to be exercised every day and a cats had a area where they could roam about without escaping we also brought the local community in with local retirees  that walk of a morning to take a dog for a walk with them and a rehoming program that never has cost a arm and a leg . Now the RSPCA not for profit organisation and earn’t over 100 million  last financial year and pay no tax to the state which BAIRD and GRANT stand so close to them like they were saviour of the animal world. At Wyong the changes were paid for by the rate payers not a non profit organisation like the RSPCA who is Empire Building and Animal Welfare is secondary the attack on the Greyhound Community  by certain groups sinks of HYPOCRISY and most politicians and  media commentators also believe its the case. So Dave whats your next story . 

  14. BobWhitelaw well BOB,thank god for delving people like yourself.

    that now closes the case in my eyes.

    so why does BAIRD/GRANT want to raise a settled case of neglect……not cruelty,neglect?he paid k in fees and fines,and RSPCAeducated the man and the shed is gone. that’s it. rspca must have been happy to return dogs back to him………..NO MENTION OF THAT IN ABC REPORT.

    because they,baird/grant, are floundering in a stormy sea and they are going down for there last gasps. urgent help needed. ABC,where are you,we need saving.

    crikey,the more I read about this GOVERNMENT OF NSW the more I am glad I do not reside there.

    now, DAVE, you stumble again son. why not just join us as you have been punched drunk so often I am amazed you can still type, keyboard warrior. come joins us,we will look after you….lol

  15. dogem53 DaveSampson75 Not true. Don’t worry, the horses and the people associated with them are next on the hit list. If they think its just a ‘greyhound’ problem, they are very very much mistaken.

  16. BobWhitelawNow if this person was deemed unfit why was his Greyhounds handed back to him by the RSPCA ” – Because the RSPCA aren’t overlords with all encompassing powers. Unless the dogs are on their last legs, legally there is not much they can do. Also they always try to give the owner a chance to improve conditions, so the RSPCA can’t win either way. If they took the dogs, you’d be complaining about overreach.


    Until they change the laws on puppy farms, there is little the RSPCA can do. But I like you, would happily see puppy farms shut down tomorrow. So we need to lobby government to act to shut them down, which means the RSPCA would then have scope to investigate and have them shut down. This is a legislative issue, nothing to do with the RSPCA.



  17. BobWhitelaw  This is just the usual RSPCA “justifying it’s own existence” for decades once every 18 months or so they hunt around for some person who can barely afford to feed themselves and go to their home selectively showing grotty areas and demonise them just to show what a great job they are doing.
    Two vets have told me that until a few years ago they were allegedly the major suppliers of puppies to experimental labs (must have got them from the puppy farms they raided).

    They should be using their profits to offer free or if you can afford it a small charge to desex animals.

    I have not met too many vets who offer their services for free and the vet’s opinion “this dog should have seen a  vet” could hardly be described as one without conflict of interest.

    Sometimes I think we impose our middle class standards on what dogs need. My girls have day beds, mattresses, very expensive blankets but they prefer to  go into the accompanying yards dig a hole in the grass and curl up in the dirt.

  18. DaveSampson75 dogem53  “hit list” is that a threat? After we run home  to tell Mummy we might have to go to  the Police about that.

  19. Deborah555 BobWhitelaw AND NOW THAT SAME GUY,WHO HAS DONE HIS TIME AND PAID HIS FINES,GETS HIS NAME AND PERSON DRAGGED AGAIN?

    A CHURCH BELIEVER WHO WANTS TO BE A REVEREND,DOES THIS TO A FELLOW HUMAN?

    UNDERSTAND THIS…….THE GUY HAS SERVED HIS TIME………SOMEONE NEEDS TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THIS AND EVEN ALLOW THE GUY THE CHANCE TO ”INTERACT LEGALLY” WITH BAIRD & CO.

    UN…….BELIEVABLE THIS GUY.

    I SUPPOSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN UNDER PRESSURE. BETTER GET USED TO THAT.

    IF I WAS THIS GENT,I WOULD SEEK LEGAL COUNSEL AS TO DAMAGES TO HIS IMAGE.

    RSPCA,YOU INCLUDED.

  20. DaveSampson75 BobWhitelaw ” Because the RSPCA aren’t overlords with all encompassing powers.”

    OH DAVE, YOU HAVE SLIPPED UP AGAIN SON. THAT QUOTE IS FROM YOU,NOW READ WHAT YOU SAID,AND WONDER WHY I DRAW ATTENTION TO IT……GO ON,HAVE A THINK OF WHAT YOU SAID.

    don’t have powers hey!

    only when it comes to greyhound it seems. the more you write the more I feel you are lost. ducking and diving,eventually you get nabbed,and down ya go son. counting down,10,9,8………

  21. dogem53 Deborah555 BobWhitelaw  Exactly but they pick their mark this bloke’s real crime was being poor and not being able to afford a vet and they would be aware he probably would not have the money to pay a lawyer ( but I think a certain CEO and Chief Steward might) that should be interesting. Yes the more this goes on the more I think this is about class warfare.

    What about that pathetic Newson allegedly scared of the computer nerds at Greyhound Data ( amazing web site) if these people can have him running to the Police fearing for his life I might up my membership donation from silver to gold.

  22. dogem53 DaveSampson75 BobWhitelaw What Dave said is correct.  The RSPCA is limited by animal welfare legislation which is very weak when it comes to animals in commercial industries.  If your argument against this assertion is that the greyhound industry is being shut down, that’s not happening because of any powers the RSPCA has, it’s happening because the NSW government has made a decision.  The RSPCA supports much better protections for animals than they are actually able to ensure under law.

    It’s also not very useful to make mention of how much money is going into the RSPCA unless you can demonstrate that this money isn’t being used for the protection of animals.  Provide a breakdown of their expenses and point out where you feel the money is misused if you want to suggest they are rolling in cash and not using that cash to protect animals.  Just saying “they earned over 100 million” doesn’t mean anything.  Everything they do costs money, a lot of it.

    You guys are always scape goating the RSPCA, but it doesn’t seem like you have much understanding of the role they actually play, or the legislation that governs their powers.

  23. RSPCA is about making money not animal welfare they are asking dollars a day to look after a greyhound in their care plus other cost associated while in their custody adds up to over per week .We do the same here at our respite and retirement center at per week with no support from GRNSW with a on call Greyhound Vet 24.7 this equates to dollars a day.I’ll challenge the RSPCA to match it out of their Millions in reserve like i said before they stink of HYPOCRISY  what about the lady who had here PET RABBIT put down  by theses Bastards because she couldn’t pay ! Dave take a walk into the real world .

  24. Deborah555 BobWhitelaw It’s very easy to say they should be offering a service for free or at a cheaper price when you have no insights into their operating costs.  Veterinary services are not covered by medicare, they are extremely expensive, just as human medical services are extremely expensive, the difference is everyone subsidises them heavily through the tax system.  What a surprise that you haven’t met too many vets that offer their services for free, I haven’t met many coffee shops that offer me coffee for free either.  I don’t find this confusing.

    Besides, most vets I know, and my partner is a vet in training, often spend considerable amount of money helping animals in circumstances where they will not be compensated for the cost.  Particularly with the rescue of injured wildlife.  And if you look at the average salaries of vets, you’ll find they are NOT high relative to other professions, particularly considering how tough, long and expensive the training is.

    I don’t understand what you want from the RSPCA, you want them to do things they don’t have the power to do, and offer services they don’t have the money to offer.  Meanwhile you’re so ready to defend people that make the CHOICE to profit from animals, and then fall on hard times and are unable to look after the animals.  Bit of a contradiction there, you defend people from your industry because they supposedly can’t afford to look after their animals, but you criticise the RSPCA for not looking after animals for free.  I guess we all have our particular bias.

  25. Hugh_ dogem53 DaveSampson75 BobWhitelaw  It may come as a surprise to you Hugh but we do understand the difference between cash flow and profits.

    Their balance sheet is available and their CEO takes quite a bit out of it  and whilst he is not legally responsible for attempting to close down the greyhound racing he is obviously happy to help even to the point where someone who has been fined and paid the fine is now being demonised in the press yet again.  His real crime was being poor.Plus his statement “they are a hard breed to rehome” in the middle of this debate suggests he is a simpleton. When questioned by a reporter about the low levels of rehoming his response was something along the lines of “we have more important things to do than that.”No if you want to collect a great salary, with lurks and perks  and superannuation and perform like he does in public then you would be a fool to think you are not going to cope flak.

  26. Hugh_ Deborah555 BobWhitelaw  They did offer this service for many years Hugh. What I would like from the CEO of the RSPCA is to get back to his job -his job is not to provide a slow drip of issues that have already been dealt with to further the interest of his political buddies and himself of course.

    Your presumption that you are the only person who knows anything and you are dealing with ignorant people really annoys me Hugh.

    I was also not criticising vets I was defending some-one who could not afford one and most coffee shops are not government funded.

  27. Alan jones on greyhound ban from about the 37 min mark for about 8 mins

    http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/194036

    HUGH/DAVID…..shut ya keyboards down and just listen for a while. can ya do that lads?

    and if you think ALAN JONES is a greyhound enthusiast,you are way off the mark.

    you guys are fighting over one issue,we are fighting over the injustice of shutting down an entire industry.

    believe it or not,they are two different identities.

    so ,please,sit down and listen and see it as it really is.

    this is what we are fighting for. JUSTICE AND TRUTH.

    and if one of you dares mention that stupid McHugh REPORT,i will,i will, lets just say I will….lol

    enjoy.

  28. http://www.grv.org.au/news/2016/08/01/grv-appoints-gm-integrity/

    and HUGH/DAVID…….something else to read for the opportunity to see and understand that REOFRM is not just a word,with the right people,it actually works guiys.

    this new appointment,like majority of appointments at GRV,are outsiders.

    people who have no real GREYHOUND EXPERIENCE,THEY HAVE UNBIASED BUSINESS ACUMEN,and bring that successful business acumen to a troubled industry,and pleased to be part of an organisation THAT WANT TO CLEAN UP ITS IMAGE.

    GUYS,DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGE HERE?

    REFORM WORKS.

    it wont make you activists happy,but if the industry is to exist,it has to make changes,and GRV are doing this.

    so GRNSW can be reformed. no more RSPCA leaks to the DOBBING BROTHERS(BAIRD/GRANT) and the uselessness of NEWSON…………genuine people who want to improve an image industry,and get great reward from achieving a positive outcome.

    this means guys,greyhound racing can/will survive,provided change is implemented.

    not 100% of what you two want,but hey,they are legalising NARCOTICS for medicinal purposes in ………..NSW would you believe that? well its true. came out today. but the connection in my smutty state remark, is its bloody NSW?

    happy to allow dope etc;……but not dog racing.

    where is that picture wrong?

  29. Deborah555 Hugh_ dogem53 DaveSampson75 BobWhitelaw

    Their balance sheet is available and their CEO takes quite a bit out of it”

    – That’s great, but that’s not what bob said, he just said “they earned over 100 million” which is not a nuanced criticism, it’s a statement without context, that’s what I was pointing out.

    he is obviously happy to help even to the point where someone who has been fined and paid the fine is now being demonised in the press yet again”

    – Not sure what the press demonising someone has to do with it the RSPCA CEO, the press can say what they like, that’s free speech, if asked, the CEO can say what he wants, that’s free speech.

    Plus his statement “they are a hard breed to rehome” in the middle of this debate suggests he is a simpleton. When questioned by a reporter about the low levels of rehoming his response was something along the lines of “we have more important things to do than that

    – This not something that was raised by bob, dogem, or my response to them.  You’re going off on a tangent.  I have no objection to you criticising this statement if it was made, if you feel it’s inaccurate and/or disagree with the attitude.


    you want to collect a great salary, with lurks and perks  and superannuation and perform like he does in public then you would be a fool to think you are not going to cope flak”

    – Agreed.  Irrespective of whether one takes home a large salary or not, they should be prepared to cop flak.  I’m not saying the RSPCA or anyone else should be immune from criticism, as you know I think everyone should be criticised freely, that’s free speech.  I was responding to specific criticisms that I felt lacked a legitimate basis.

  30. Deborah555 Hugh_ BobWhitelaw Feel free to be annoyed, I don’t really care.  I don’t think I know everything, I’m sure there are many aspects of these debates about which you know more than me.  I argue mostly about points of principle in these debates, and offer some facts if I feel confident in them.  My issue with these particular comments is that your criticisms lack substance.

    You’re saying they once offered this service and now they don’t.  That’s not much of a criticism.  They may have stopped providing this service for free because it became no longer financially viable to do so, or because they needed to boost some other area of their operations that lacked funds, or they are receiving less tax payer funding than they used to, or numerous other reasons.  The financials of any large operation are complex, and the income streams are not constant over time.  Your criticism lacks nuance.  That’s my point.

    I also think it’s a bit rich to get upset by my attitude when I don’t make personal attacks, and I don’t presume to know the thoughts in other people’s heads.  Two things you routinely base your arguments around.  Get off your high horse.

  31. BobWhitelaw If you’re claiming that they are running a financially inefficient operation, that’s fine, but it doesn’t equate to hypocrisy.  It’s also hard to know how to interpret your comments, are you comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges?

    You say they are “asking” for a day, is this a commercial for-profit service they are operating?  Is the greyhound respite and retirement centre a commercial for-profit operation?  Or are you saying that’s how much it costs them to look after a dog they are housing temporarily while they try to adopt it out, just like all the other animals in their shelters?

  32. LOL  Hugh They are death camps not shelters   how many do the have there that are older then 5 years in human terms  ,well here which specialize in Greyhounds  and their ages range 3 years to 16 years and that’s just one village .Sorry your camp carries the Green Dream we carry love for one particular breed  that are looking at long life no matter what 

    with us and this done for no profit  what so ever ! Hugh stop trying to justify  their killing of good healthy animals,  sorry mate your excuse don’t wash with a lot of good pet lovers.

  33. BobWhitelaw Bob, I wasn’t justifying or making excuses, I was asking genuine questions in at attempt to clarify what you were suggesting.  It’s hard to judge the merit of what you say when you only provide vague details.

    But let’s leave it, I’d forgotten how impossible it is to communicate with you.  All I can suggest is that you take a deep breath, calm down, and read everything slowly out loud to yourself.

  34. Its interesting  that the final report on  the mass grave at Keinbah was forwarded to GRNSW some weeks ago,  with the Media  jumping straight onto to it and it was front page news everywhere with  Newson playing up to the media.The people who complete the investigations are at disbelief  that no one person has charged  as yet by GRNSW. A  GRNSW insider has ask how many dogs of all breeds  are buried in peoples back yards around the State

  35. BobWhitelaw  Maybe because it is not illegal to shoot a dog it is only illegal if you do it with an unlicensed firearm. The people carrying out the investigations were I believe forensic specialists not the Police. As for the GRNSW person allegedly asking this question it would seem to be a valid query.

  36. Deborah555 BobWhitelaw Well if that’s the case why did GRNSW waste over thousand  knowing  that no participant would be held accountable for what took place there. As a former GRNSW board member  believes it was a beat up, and Newson was put their by Grant to close down the industry. We wonder if Baird will close down Churches after the Royal Commission into Child Sex Abuse  within the Churches Mr Baird is from the religious  right?  just think what some of those Churches would be worth to developers in some prime locations  in Sydney’s  CBD and the cash it would raise for the Baird Government.

  37. BobWhitelaw Deborah555  Bob a man as smart and politically astute as you  knows full well why they did it. Your motives and passionate, not just beliefs, but hands on- own money concept to rehoming is not questionable but theirs is, just another bit of demonising the dog people and wasting the tax payers money to further their own agenda.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if he has had the assessors in to value every bit of church land, but then again he is a good Catholic boy who seems to think the God would like to retire and have him take the job.