Anti-racing crowd are the most dangerous predators of all

THE world’s greatest predator has invented the combustible engine, the computer, flown to the moon, and even produced all of the world’s great literature.

But, as we know or we ought to know, the natural instinct to inflict pain and predate on the weak is hard wired into the human species.

This fundamental human trait has been used by society leaders throughout human history from Caesar right through to Trump who both employed fear and propaganda to tap into this basic human instinct for their own selfish purposes.

It is important that all human and society relationships are examined in this context. The need for human beings to pigeon hole groups within society is intimately connected to this underlying competitive drive to ostracise the weak and bolster their own social position.

Enlightened individuals who buck this trend and claim to live and let live have lived among us and indeed many have been genuine in their attempts to live an intelligent and a non-predatory existence. Many more, however, release their predatory instincts disguised as something fulsome and good. The churches have been expert at doing this for centuries and all religions have an evangelical ideology that promotes their superior “truth” over the darkness of infidels.

The racing industries in general and greyhound racing in particular have been subject to criticism and propaganda in recent decades. The notion of profiting from the lives of animals is regarded by a small minority of our society as abhorrent and not socially acceptable. This vocal minority have campaigned hard against all forms of animal exploitation and the hardliners among them regard traditional pet ownership as pet slavery and are opposed to any use of animals for the production of food.

In our industry through the wrongdoing of a small number of people and a cleverly edited story narrative we have gifted them a propaganda coup. The Four Corners program has delivered the moral high ground to this evangelical group who now seem to have the ear of politicians and administrators who find it convenient to be converts to their cause. In reality, I believe these fanatic minorities who live at the extremes of society are simply indulging their predatory instincts by attacking the weak.

As someone who grew up in a sectarian divided society that was Northern Ireland, I appreciate the egalitarian and multicultural society of Australia. It is a unique place in the world largely untainted by entrenched stratifications of society that have taken millennia to develop in other populated countries. Sectarian divisions are the normal prerequisite for sectarian prosecution. I respect the right of people to hold a different view to mine and I enjoy the cultural melding of our mainstream society. However I object to a small group of idealists moralising and intimidating a law abiding group within society who simply do not share their beliefs.

The sport of greyhound racing is a salubrious sport for both the owners and their dogs. The greyhounds enjoy immensely their lifestyle while they are racing and unlike many other pets they achieve high standards of welfare which not only includes food and shelter and freedom from fear but also the ability to pursue their natural instincts which is to chase albeit after a fluffy toy. It also allows the human species to enjoy that other great natural instinct, the one for risk taking, giving people all over the country the chance to wager on the qualities of another imperfect animal rather than battling with the perfect success of an inanimate poker machine.

I find it curious that a society that consumes tens of millions of chickens, hundreds of thousands of sheep, pigs and cattle every year can be aroused into such a hypocritical frenzy by a group of fanatics and a sympathetic media over the so called wastage of animals within the racing industry.

A greyhound or a horse has no concept of retirement planning. Their forward projections go little further than their next dinner. Animal welfare is exclusively related to the care of animals when they are alive. The issue of whether we euthanise animals is a social not welfare question. It is certainly not evidence of cruelty as has been suggested by the Premier of New South Wales.

The level of animal consumption through all our social stratifications strongly suggests that the view of a small number of unrepresentative fanatics is totally unrepresentative of the mainstream of Australian society. I believe the Australian public is mature enough to realise that this industry has over a couple of decades been striving to increase the numbers of greyhounds that progress to a retirement at the end of a racing career.

All the racing industries need to be open and honest with them to explain that there are not enough retirement homes to go around and some animals bred specifically for the race track are not suited to a more relaxed lifestyle. I am strongly opposed to adopting the UK approach which effectively outlaws euthanasia of retired greyhounds resulting in many living out their days in retirement “prisons”.

Past Discussion

  1. hear,hear.

    spoken like an authorative figure,in which he is.and his profession is one I find difficult to understand where some,i said some,are anti and some like this chap,are pro.

    I like the sentence…..

    QUOTE….The sport of greyhound racing is a salubrious sport for both the owners and their dogs. The greyhounds enjoy immensely their lifestyle while they are racing and unlike many other pets they achieve high standards of welfare which not only includes food and shelter and freedom from fear but also the ability to pursue their natural instincts which is to chase albeit after a fluffy toy. It also allows the human species to enjoy that other great natural instinct, the one for risk taking, giving people all over the country the chance to wager on the qualities of another imperfect animal rather than battling with the perfect success of an inanimate poker machine….UNQUOTE.

    there ,I doubt,would not be an animal better cared for and maintained in its existence than a greyhound. for obvious reasons. cost and outlay being at the top,so it is an investment that needs 100% protection.tell a dog man his dog is slow,and he will punch ya lights out. that’s his mate,and even though hard to admit it, that slow dog is his.not yours.

    and to the author,the weakness of humans today is seen right across all aspects of daily living.  I agree,that the so called governments of today are so damn weak and gutless,they SWING WITH MONKEYS just to stay in power,and ANIMAL ACTIVISTS KNOW THIS…….and we as humans are forced,yes forced to vote for this pathetic excuse for leaders of our ONCE GREAT COUNTRY.to bow to a minority to destroy the majority…………kind of reminds of non democratic countries and look at the mess they are in.

    time for the GOVERNMENTS of today to BALANCE life in this country,or we will be heading down that proverbial creek like so many countries today.

    DONT DESTROY AN INDUSTRY WHERE PEOPLE ARE EARNING A LIVING. they are employed,no matter how activists may deem it,it is employment.

    and if you do,you fools must stop immigration because again ,BOWING TO THE MINORITY,we have to feed them and lose jobs for them,yet we are happy to destroy any chance of some employment for our own!!!! get outta here,how is that right?

    they have virtually killed off our AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY,our FARMING INDUSTRIES,our FRUIT GROWING INDUSTRY,MANUFACTURING,RETAIL,ETC;ETC;ETC; has been sold out for imports. our countries hugs slices of fertile land is being sold off, for TODAYS GAINS,but our futures loss. our children are faced with a DEMONIC FUTURE CREATED BY GOVERNMENTS OF TODAY,and I tell you one thing,they are as corrupt as any human I know and the behind the scenes deals are proof. we find out to late though.

    and ask AMERICANS today,what/how they feel of the governance of BARACK OBAMA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is weak and not a leaders boot lace.

    so does dog racing and horse racing become another STATISTIC of GOVERNMENTS WEAKNESSES. destroy everything we enjoy by a minority whinge?

    DOES THE BATTLING DOG MAN HAVE NO CHANCE TO PROVE IT CAN REFORM?

    THEY ALLOWED pit bull terriers THAT CHOICE,AND THOSE DAMN THINGS KILL humans……..GET THE BALANCE RIGHT DO NOT DESTROY THIS COUNTRY ANY FURTHER.

    dog racing is part of our country,and either accept it or go and eat more celery sticks whilst reading the mantras.

  2. This is an interesting article and well written and much of it I am in agreement with. However before I was ready to condemn retirement homes for greyhounds as ” prisons” I would prefer much more information on how they are run and funded and what type of life dogs have in these establishments. I have spoken to a number of greyhound people who have rearing and boarding facilities and they seemed open to the idea of taking retirement dogs.  Obviously it is not a solution for every dog, but one that could be assessed in an objective manner. Given the huge turnover provided by gambling and participants willingness to take less prize money for better welfare outcomes and many facilities already operating it might be a more financially viable option than building expensive new facilities.

  3. dogem53dog racing is part of our country,and either accept it or go” – considering you can’t even write in non broken English, I would suggest that at least I having being born and raised here have  more rights than you when it comes to say what is part of our country than a johnny come lately, and I say ban it. 

  4. dogem53 better health? wow they kill tens of thousands, exsanguinate and blood bait, youre obviously ill informed, stupid or an industry insdier, either way you suck :)

  5. veganboypussy dogem53  Similarly veganboypussy suggesting others are ill informed or stupid and you suck is not rational debate it’s just well pathetic. Are you into cats?

  6. DaveSampson75 dogem53  Dave you just don’t get it do you,  insulting people and suggesting they are stupid is not debate it is just venting your spleen and makes people wonder just what motivates you. As I said- if you want a fair hearing and you want people to listen keep to the facts, use logic and again check out Hugh does it.

  7. DaveSampson75 dogem53  have not improved much in your statements dave. must be able to do better than comment surely.

    and, as usual,a vegan and non grey lover,DOES NOT QUOTE 100% ACCURACY……sort of like AA and BAIRD &co.

    finish the sentence I wrote,correctly Davey boy.

    ……go AND EAT CELERY AND READ THE MANTRA……….but hey, what can one expect from a fellow aussie.

  8. veganboypussy dogem53  hey dave, you talk about my writings………..look at this,the pussy is flustered and misspells dah everding.

  9. Just as a matter of interest, what are these ‘Antis’ as I call them, doing about the 60,000 odd working dogs euthanised Nationwide each year?

  10. DaveSampson75 dogem53  dave, funny you say you are an aussie.

    of all the sentences and topics I complained about,and there were heaps,you only selected dogs and racing.

    now that is definitely un-Australian and shows your eyes are easily directed to one agenda.

    not one whimper about how governments have ruined this country. not one sob. dave,I begin to wonder where your mind is lately.

    but hey, I am a big boy, I know the attitudes of the negs,and I can wear that. damn shame that education for some on life matters stops when they get brainwashed.

  11. Deborah555 DaveSampson75 dogem53  deb, spot on.

    HUGH is a guy I would love to chat with,regardless of his passion. he was thorough and articulate and could really put a sentence together. I admired him for his outlook and how he was prepared to debate honestly.

    some others, well we shall see.

  12. I find it curious that a society that consumes tens of millions of chickens, hundreds of thousands of sheep, pigs and cattle every year can be aroused into such a hypocritical frenzy by a group of fanatics and a sympathetic media over the so called wastage of animals within the racing industry.”


    really? You can’t figure that out?

    its because the mainstream regard eating as essential and gambling as non-essential.


    If you want to beat the vegan drum then go ahead, I won’t disagree, but the mainstream will and thats why racing being banned is a necessary reality.

  13. dogem53 Deborah555 DaveSampson75  yes I enjoyed debating with him as well he was obviously motivated by a genuine love of animals, however when people get on this site insulting others, suggesting they are stupid, and argue not the facts but from emotions such as anger I just cannot believe they are motivated by a concern for animals.

  14. Yes Dr Des, vegans are apex predators, just above vegetarians on the predatory scale.  I’d start running now if I were you.

  15. I think your assertion that opposition to the greyhound industry, and in particular the issue of wastage, is the exclusive domain of a small “extreme” minority is very questionable.  If any of the poles that numerous news websites have run, or the comments section of numerous articles on news sites are anything to go by, it would seem that quite a large percentage of people are opposed to greyhound racing.  In fact I would say that I see more sentiment expressed against the industry than for the industry.  This is not a very scientific measure, but I think a cursory glance would lead most people to conclude that opposition to the industry is not just coming from a vocal minority.

    Either way, simply asserting that it is so does not make it so, as much as I’m sure you want to believe this is the case.

    If I were you I would not consider the fact that so many happily eat meat as evidence that opposition to greyhound racing must come from vegans/animal liberationist/etc.  That’s flawed logic because it assumes that everyone lives their lives in a manner that is ethically consistent on all fronts.  This is clearly not the case.  We are all hypocrites to some extent when it comes to our moral preachings, it has much more to do with what we are individually focused on and consciously aware of.  There are several reasons why many people would be supportive of animal agriculture but not the greyhound industry, and you’ve failed to consider any of them.

    1.  As another commenter also pointed out, many consider the death of animals for food to be a necessity, but view animal racing as completely unnecessary.  I would argue that they are both unnecessary, but most people have had it drilled into them that dairy, meat and eggs are essential for good health.

    2.  People don’t generally think of farm animals as being of equal intelligence as pets (cats and dogs).  For many this might seem ridiculous (particularly given the well documented impressive intelligence of pigs), but it’s true.  Most people have had extensive interaction with pets, but not many people have had extensive interaction with farm animals.  If they have had interaction with farm animals, it is often with farm animals that were not hand raised by humans or had humans as their primary companions, and so they don’t display the same level of social interaction and “friendliness” with humans.  This can lead to the impression that farm animals are less intelligent and emotionally simplistic.  The truth, of course, is that if you hand raise goat it will be every bit as friendly, playful and emotionally engaged with you as a cat or a dog.  But how many people have seen this?  The point being that people are simply more disturbed by the death of dogs than they are by the death of cows, pigs or sheep, species which they have never had a relationship with.

    3.  Most people are personally invested in eating meat.  Most people are not personally invested in greyhound racing.  Substantial as the greyhound racing industry may be, it is still something enjoyed by a minority of people, whereas eating meat (or other animal products) is enjoyed by the vast majority of people.  Surprise, surprise, people are more willing to condemn something they have no personal stake in on moral grounds, and less willing to condemn something they do have a personal stake in.  This is an example of ethical inconsistency, and human beings are very good at it.  We have a funny way of ignoring our own shortcomings and while simultaneously being very good at pointing out shortcomings of others.  If this weren’t the case we wouldn’t have invented the word “hypocrite” and it would be used so frequently in everyday discourse.  People are often hypocrites without even realising it (I have had sudden realisations of my own hypocrisy many times in life, often pointed out by others).  There’s a lot of cognitive dissonance going on for people that are compassionate towards animals but still eat animal products.  For these people there is a certain level of discomfort and guilt associated with what they eat but people are great at avoiding thinking about certain things that make them uncomfortable.  There are no mental barriers in place that prevent full contemplation and then condemnation of the greyhound racing industry for most people, the same can’t be said for their eating habits.

    4.  Awareness.  I know that Debora if she reads this will disagree with me, but awareness plays a big part too.  The failings of the greyhound industry have been splashed all over the media to such an extent now that people are highly aware of the issues in the industry.  The same can’t be said about animal agriculture.  There’s a certain level of awareness of particular issues in agriculture, caged hens being the most obvious, but for the most part people are fairly ignorant of how animal agriculture takes place and are motivated to cling to their ignorance and indulge idealised assumptions about the lives of farm animals.  They are wilfully ignorant for reasons mentioned in points 1, 2 and 3.  Additionally, while there is an abundance of equally disturbing video evidence to be found from the agriculture industry, for reasons 1, 2 and 3 such imagery has been less publicised, and it would take a lot more of it to impact people.

    So what’s the point?  My point is I think you’re seriously barking up the wrong tree assuming some tiny vocal minority has railroaded the government into legislating against your industry.

    I also think it’s pretty obvious that your words are somewhat hollow.  You’re happy to defend the mass euthanasia of dogs on a greyhound racing website, where the vast majority of your readers will agree with you, but there’s a reason that no industry figure has publicly defended “wastage” to the mainstream media (at least not that I’ve seen), and we both know it’s because more than just a tiny minority of animal activists will find that abhorrent.

    I agree with you on one thing, there is inherent hypocrisy in criticising the greyhound racing industry while sitting down to a breakfast of bacon and eggs.  But every industry will eventually have it’s turn.  The truth is it’s just much easier to get the general public to look at animal racing with a critical eye and acknowledge the inherent cruelty.  Getting them to stare similarly at agriculture without turning away is going to be a longer and more difficult battle.

  16. Deborah555 dogem53 DaveSampson75 I know that I often lose my patience and get somewhat insulting in debates and I apologise for that.  All I can say in my defence is that I am much more polite than I used to be, you’ll both have to take my word for it that I have made progress in this regard.  It takes time to change one’s habits and I started life as an arrogant little shit :)

    It’s unfortunate that written text via the internet is not a very effective method for a robust debate, I often wish we could all just sit around a table in the pub and hash it out over a few pints…

    … and a hearty vegan meal ;)

  17. Hugh_  again a brilliant insight to a situation HUGH. but………….

    4.  Awareness.  I know that Debora if she reads this will disagree with me, but awareness plays a big part too.  The failings of the greyhound industry have been splashed all over the media to such an extent now that people are highly aware of the issues in the industry.  The same can’t be said about animal agriculture.  There’s a certain level of awareness of particular issues in agriculture, caged hens being the most obvious, but for the most part people are fairly ignorant of how animal agriculture takes place and are motivated to cling to their ignorance and indulge idealised assumptions about the lives of farm animals.  They are wilfully ignorant for reasons mentioned in points 1, 2 and 3.  Additionally, while there is an abundance of equally disturbing video evidence to be found from the agriculture industry, for reasons 1, 2 and 3 such imagery has been less publicised, and it would take a lot more of it to impact people.”””””””””

    uuuhhhmmmm, I think we have acknowledged that HUGH. it was there for all to see….A YEAR OR MORE AGO NOW HUGH.

    lets not go over old ground. again, the situation today is between CAN THE INDUSTRY BE REFORMED OR NOT.

    every other state so far has achieved this HUGH. recommendations put in place,warnings issued,and new procedures and personnell also in place,ad the industry is working. do yourself a favour HUGH,and look up the website of GRV in particular. take a look at how TODAY, the influx of new persons from the mainstream are heavily involved in adoption and awareness. the presentation to the public,all the public,is there to be seen that they are at least following the scripts.people working with each other,and some are antis.

    no more LIVE BAITING  HUGH, so why keep going on with it?

    the laws of the land have handled that situation,and today it is still a flourishing business,painted with a much more solid and reliable frame structure.. so that is the greyhound angle.

    now,it is obvious you are stressed deeply by AGRICULTARAL ISSUES. one gets the feeling that you cannot separate the two cases?

    and until you do,you will always draw attention to the dog industry,WHEREAS YOUR MAIN OBJECTION,I SAID MAIN,IS THE AGRICULTURE SIDE OF THINGS.

    not saying that you don’t have a good point there either,but I feel and see you are struggling to separate the two,and this leads to stress with anything that revolves around animals being kept or eaten.

    mate, if we all could get our own way in life and pictured and framed the way we want, life would be just dandy. but boring as we would be virtually AUTOMATIONS……..that is the only style of human who could have that in a perfect world.

    some say then why do we attack and blame GOVERNMENTS for our situation.

    is it not the same for your quest to have freedom for animals as well? get peed off when the dopes don’t do what you want,so we take it out on them,just like you would and possibly do.

    that is fact because our words are just that HUGH,words, to those illustrious leaders of our nations. TELL US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR is there mottos.

    until they,the GOVERNMENTS do what we want,then HUGH, you and I and millions of others will just be the WORK ANTS ordered around by the leaders of the swarm.

    it is them your attacks should be directed,not greyhound people.

    the day everyone becomes a VEGAN,will be well past our lifetime HUGH.

    the world will change,slowly,but it will change,and just maybe those SCI-FI movies we have been watching for generations where the human race eats a pill and is satisfied may not be far off, but not in our time. lay the foundations by all means,but don’t let it overwhelm your entire life when there is so much to achieve today….today HUGH.

  18. BJoe Faulty logic – what you’re saying is akin to saying that we shouldn’t prosecute murderers when there’s still plenty of rapists around.

  19. Hugh_  As if I would miss what you write Hugh( and let you get away with it without a reply) I agree with almost all that you have said and of course I have already stated my views about awareness. I think most people are aware that the meat they eat has resulted in the suffering of an animal but they still eat meat. Either out of guilt or pure hypocrisy they attack others because sadly we are a very flawed species. Greyhound trainers, being a minority, many of whom are not powerful or wealthy people, are easy targets. I can promise you the horse people will not be as easy to  pick of as the dog people too much money Hugh.

    I also agree totally with your views that our relationship with animals determines our views. I can assure you Hugh that for decades people viewed greyhounds as nasty vicious dogs because they saw them chase at the track and if they were in public they had muzzles on. It has only been recently that the perception of them as the beautiful creatures that they are has become known to the wider community and now they know that they want to protect them. This change in perception has been brought about by a great deal of work by the greyhound industry to change the perceptions of people to increase rehoming.  This was not done by showing cruelty and appealing to base emotions like anger it was done by simply showing people how beautiful they really are. Sadly the current head of the RSPCA still makes statements ” they are a hard breed to rehome” and then proceeds to stand as close as possible to Baird and his lap dog Grant ( without actually becoming part of their lower alimentary canal) nodding that the greyhound industry has to go whilst himself taking a nice hefty salary from overseeing an organisation (poorly) that kills thousands of dogs and cats every year.

    Hugh,  no-one in the greyhound industry  wants mass euthanasia we would do anything to still race, spend time with our beloved dogs and figure out how to provide the best for them after racing. Participants willingly took drops in prize money (quite significant drops) for better welfare outcomes. I keep my dogs after racing and I can assure you Hugh many people do. I keep them not just because I love them I can afford to feed them. I have the luxury of enough land and money to provide them with good lives, other people who do it for a living do not have this luxury.

    Whilst I agree that most people in the community, who are decent, don’t want to see any greyhound suffer but they do not necessarily believe that all racing codes should be banned either. Most people eventually come to terms with the fact that life is cruel but to dwell on the dark side of life is not productive or very useful.  The vocal minority are not motivated by a love of greyhounds their motives are as far away from a love of animals as you can get.

  20. MarionPurnell BJoe  I have read one of your other posts and even though I did not agree with it I thought it was clever and witty and didn’t go too far. This response however, where you criticise BJoe for faulty logic using some pretty faulty and of course emotionally charged logic of your own is not that impressive. Lift your game. Logically your argument should have been why are we prosecuting rapists when murders are around. Which of course has nothing to do with racing.

    What BJoe is saying is that there is a great deal of hypocrisy in screaming about greyhound trainers whilst ignoring many other industries. The greyhound people are just easier to take on – minority not powerful. Most of the people currently screaming and demonising do not give damn about greyhounds they have just seized on an opportunity to hide behind “we love greyhounds” to vent their anger and fulfil their needs for power and to tell others people what to do and how to lead their lives.

  21. AaronC_NZ Aaron you cant teach stupid. They dont understand the difference and never will. Noone has ever accused a greyhound trainer as having too much intelligence.

  22. The current group of anti racing critics are an interesting lot aren’t they. Tags ending in pussy, woman with whip and suggesting anyone with a different view “sucks” I don’t know how old you all are but if you are over 18 there is a proliferation of adult entertainment sites that cater for those interested this is a racing  site.

  23. DaveSampson75 AaronC_NZ  Once again Dave your only argument is “these people are stupid”. That is not an argument for banning racing.  You have a go at dogem53  for his English literacy skills  and denigrate greyhound trainers as lacking intelligence and yet above you have failed to put a hyphen in no-one what you have written sounds like the name of some-one who stars in playschool and you have failed to put an apostrophe in don’t. So what anything you say now has no validity because your grammar is appalling?

  24. DaveSampson75 BJoe —– and here you have failed to use a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and I is always written in uppercase when used as a pronoun.

  25. Deborah555 DaveSampson75 AaronC_NZ Im typing on a phone, I cant be arsed to put in apostrophes, basic grammar and the appropriate words to use in a sentence is basic stuff. Why are you struggling with this concept Deborah?

  26. “The industry we look at is the one we have been bequeathed. It is placed on the shelf of history, it’s the place from where we have to move forward. That legacy is tarnished by all the petty decisions that have eroded its foundations, the trainers who cheated, the stud masters who knowingly falsely advertised, veterinarians who aided and abetted dishonest behaviour and the administrators who have repeatedly made reactive decisions often shadowed by poor professional advice.

    We stand looking at a sport on the cusp of entering into an environment where history tells us that corruption will increase not decrease. The genuine people who over decades chose to make greyhound racing a career will not tolerate the oppressive oversight of their operations and nor should they. We will be left with the risk takers who return to the adversarial ducking and diving, skiving and conniving, “Arthur Daley School of Training”.

    Eventually our administrators will be able to say they were right about us all along!”  

    Dr Des, Feb 2016. 

    So it’s the Activists now Des? Why the change of mind? 

  27. DaveSampson75 Deborah555 AaronC_NZ  Well then let’s agree that literacy, the level of your intelligence or  education does  equate with your right to have your say. Everyone has a right to a say no matter how well educated or intelligent.

  28. veganboypussy dogem53  I have already posted my views on the misleading numbers of dogs killed and will not go into that again. I am concerned though where you get the idea that greyhounds are drained of blood before being killed. No greyhound trainer does this. What then everyone sits around in a circle with candles and paints blood crosses on their foreheads and then sacrifices virgins?

    I think you might be confusing the practice where some vets in regional Australia ring greyhound people and ask them to bring a mature retired racing dog into the surgery to be a donor, often during an emergency situation. They do this because they know the greyhound people will help them and there will always be a dog available. I have taken a number of my old dogs in to donate blood and they came home and went on with their lives no harm done.

  29. DaveSampson75 Deborah555 BJoe  I have given you a hard time about your grammar etc merely to point out that attacking other people’s views by suggesting they are dumb and do not have good English skills (which you have done ) is not sporting and has no relevance to their right to express an opinion. Nor does it relate to the quality of their opinion.

  30. I just love the way Dave, Pussy boy and whip girl and anyone who thinks different from me sucks boy go around constantly “liking”  each others comments. Are you on this site because you care about animals or feeding your ego and taking care of those unmet needs for attention and to feel powerful.

    I am actually not sure if you are throwing a whip or a lasso -these seem like unusual symbols for a vegan. You do know what a whip or lasso are used for do you? I notice whip girl is quite the prolific poster on lots of sites and although you obviously have a quick mind your creativity seems to be stifled by only seeming to be able to write enough to fit in a tweet. I notice all your posts and tweets have the same quality- at the start you think this person might be really witty and clever but then it always falls a bit flat. Perhaps if you thought about it a bit more and some facts would be good as well. Aaron I think you may actually care about animals but if you are going to convince people you really need to do a bit of research and get some facts, also your tendency to immediately condemn anyone who disagrees with you as stupid is a weakness in your debating skills. As as for veganpussyboy well even I wouldn’t put what I think motivates you on a public domain.

  31. something you need to know is that Trump is not as frightening as the liar, Hillary Clinton, who abandoned men to die. In addition, Trump would not ban Greyhound racing the way Mike Baird did for a couple of reasons, not the least of which is that he supports animal related businesses and purebred dogs. Unlike Hillary, he is not looked upon kindly by HSUS, PETA, etc.  It really is quite simple… you don’t want anti-racing politicians, stop electing them, fight against their election. You may lose, but at least you will go down fighting! Besides, you never know, you may win.

    Stay out of my politics and I will help you as much as possible from this country.

  32. Hugh_ Deborah555 dogem53 DaveSampson75  I am glad you are working on it and I agree with the difficulty of debating on the internet.  Although on the internet you “meet” people that you would not come in contact with otherwise.Personally rather than a vegan meal I would like some of those lamb chops all brown and chrispy with gravy.

    . I love them and so do my greyhound girls even more than roast chook.

    PS you are still arrogant what really cures arrogance is the longer you live.