Greyhound exports under spotlight in ABC’s 7.30 report

GREYHOUND Racing has once again come under fire by the ABC and Animals Australia after an apparent six month investigation into the alleged exportation of greyhounds into Asia.

Lyn White from Animals Australia declared “the sins of this industry have piled up” after the report, televised on Wednesday December 9, exposed the poor conditions faced by greyhounds at race venues in Macau, Vietnam and Shang Hai Zoo as well as other illegal and illicit gambling rings and racetracks across the continent.

The report focused its initial attention on the apparent network of traders, who are breaching racing rules in Australia by sending greyhounds overseas without receiving a Greyhounds Australasia passport.

Reporter Caro Meldrum-Hannah, who also led the ABC’s Four Corners investigation into live baiting, stated that “four trainers had been identified” in the practice, but interestingly only one party was named, with Steven and Mark Farrugia of the Glengarrie Racetrack alleged to have been exporting greyhounds without the required Greyhounds Australasia Passports as recently as two weeks ago.

The program aired following the announcement that Greyhound Racing New South Wales (GRNSW) had commenced an inquiry into the exportation of greyhounds following a three month investigation by the controlling body, with a number of participants expected to be called to attend hearings in the near future.

Currently, any person found to have exported a greyhound to an international jurisdiction (excluding New Zealand) without having satisfied the requirements of the rules, risk serious penalties including fines and suspension or disqualification from greyhound racing.

Also targeted in the 7:30 Report was former GRNSW Chief veterinarian and current Head veterinarian officer Dr. John Newell. It was mentioned in Wednesday night’s episode that the Vietnam racetrack “Ba Ria”, was set up with the support and involvement of Dr. Newell, however this was not the case.

Australian Racing Greyhound understands the Vietnam racetrack referred to in the report is actually named Lam Son and is approximately 30 minutes away from Ba Ria, the site of the apparent killing fields portrayed in the video vision.

The vision displayed greyhounds being disposed of and placed into large pits, while there was also footage of persons standing on greyhounds necks either to restrain or compromise their airways according to Professor Paul McGreevy.

The vision showed the dogs being injected with a poisonous solution, said to be a substance called Ecotraz which is generally used for tick and pest control on cattle. Professor McGreevy was visibly disturbed by the footage and followed on by stating “There is a clear association with considerable pain and I would go as far as saying it would be horrendous for them.”

It was clarified that Dr. Newell’s involvement in Vietnam stemmed from 2000 to 2008 through the World Greyhound Racing Federation (WGRF) where he was acting as a consultant.

The WGRF was designed as a platform to encourage and share racing values, animal welfare and veterinarian science technology to all countries that participated. The United Kingdom, USA, Ireland, Scotland, Sweden, Australia and Vietnam were all part of the WGRF scheme until funding ceased in 2008 and the organisation folded.

Dr. Newell’s involvement in Vietnam racing ceased after this time.

The report also stated that 168 greyhounds from January to August 2015 have been exported to Asia, without a required Greyhounds Australasia passport.

The report obtained these figures via the Freedom of Information Act regarding Exports and Agriculture and also stated an investigative Welfare Officer determined approximately one greyhound dies everyday at the Macau racetrack.

What the report failed to properly get across was Greyhounds Australasia (GA) has been lobbying the Federal Government since 2005 for changes to the exportation rules without success.

In 2013 GA placed a compulsory ban on exports to Macau, due to a number of concerns regarding welfare and integrity. Also in 2014 GA contacted Agriculture Minister Mr. Barnaby Joyce requesting stringent changes to exportation of greyhounds to Asia.

While appreciative of GA’s efforts to proactively address these issues, the minister believed the existing regulation under Export Control (Animals) Order 2004 was sufficient at the time.

The points listed above were mentioned towards the end of the 7.30 Report, but these facts do not support a Facebook post made by Animals Australia which said “She is another secret the greyhound industry desperately wanted to keep hidden”.

Current regulatory bodies across Australia have been extremely pro-active in the review of welfare and regulatory compliance since the live baiting scandal came to light in February this year. GRNSW has also established a Joint Working Group who along with current CEO Mr. Paul Newson will be presenting their submission to the Special Commission in January 2016.

Past Discussion

  1. “Veterinarian John Newell, from Belmont, NSW, helped to establish greyhound racing in Vietnam and Macau and is infuriated by calls to ban exports. Newell says protesters have the wrong picture. Retired racing dogs exported to those countries get a longer life expectancy and often better care than in Australia, with strict controls on their welfare, he says. “In Vietnam, we have a lovely compound close to the coast which has the afternoon sea breeze and dams for swimming and they are well looked after,” he says.
    But while he says Vietnam and Macau are beyond reproach, he can’t vouch for the fate of dogs in Korea or other Asian countries. “I can take you into District Six in Saigon and walk down the dog restaurant street but certainly no greyhounds ever end up there, unlike some other countries in Asia that I’d be more suspicious of,” he says.”

  2. “Veterinarian John Newell, from Belmont, NSW, helped to establish greyhound racing in Vietnam and Macau and is infuriated by calls to ban exports. Newell says protesters have the wrong picture. Retired racing dogs exported to those countries get a longer life expectancy and often better care than in Australia, with strict controls on their welfare, he says. “In Vietnam, we have a lovely compound close to the coast which has the afternoon sea breeze and dams for swimming and they are well looked after,” he says.

    But while he says Vietnam and Macau are beyond reproach, he can’t vouch for the fate of dogs in Korea or other Asian countries. “I can take you into District Six in Saigon and walk down the dog restaurant street but certainly no greyhounds ever end up there, unlike some other countries in Asia that I’d be more suspicious of,” he says.”

  3. I  have first hand experience with each of the venues mentioned in this article I can honestly say the news articles were 80% wrong in fact. 

    John Newll is a good bloke who was employed as a consultant on the Vietnamese project and I believe his portrayal in this bias report was defamatory. 

    It appears these people are hellbent on destroying the greyhound racing industry and all the descent people who have contributed years of their life in the pursuit of racing dogs.

    As og”Greyhounds Australia” who do they represent and where does their funding come from, the rank and file industry participants,or the RSPCA. 

    I am no longer in the industry but keep an interest in it and would not like to see it fall over. 

    We need someone to speak on behalf of the industry and stay on message about OUR industry and allow other jurisdictions to worry about off shore racing ventures.

  4. I  have first hand experience with each of the venues mentioned in this article I can honestly say the news articles were 80% wrong in fact. 

    John Newll is a good bloke who was employed as a consultant on the Vietnamese project and I believe his portrayal in this bias report was defamatory. 

    It appears these people are hellbent on destroying the greyhound racing industry and all the descent people who have contributed years of their life in the pursuit of racing dogs.

    As og”Greyhounds Australia” who do they represent and where does their funding come from, the rank and file industry participants,or the RSPCA. 

    I am no longer in the industry but keep an interest in it and would not like to see it fall over. 

    We need someone to speak on behalf of the industry and stay on message about OUR industry and allow other jurisdictions to worry about off shore racing ventures.

  5. Halwes, give it a rest. We have no idea who you are so your 80% figure is completely made up as far as im concerned.Why dont you tell us the 20% that is right then? Either come into the 21st century when it comes to animal welfare or die out like the dinosaurs.

  6. Halwes, give it a rest. We have no idea who you are so your 80% figure is completely made up as far as im concerned.Why dont you tell us the 20% that is right then? Either come into the 21st century when it comes to animal welfare or die out like the dinosaurs.

  7. The present administrators of Greyhound Racing in each state and GA are all guilty of at least incompetence, GRV comes closest to a pass mark, it ain’t rocket science, cradle to grave for all greyhounds Australasia wide is the starting point.

  8. The present administrators of Greyhound Racing in each state and GA are all guilty of at least incompetence, GRV comes closest to a pass mark, it ain’t rocket science, cradle to grave for all greyhounds Australasia wide is the starting point.

  9. Halwes. Newell is Vet with a duty of care, first and foremost. I’m sure operations at both tracks were satisfactory for a time when first set up, but it is plainly clear that they no longer are. 

    This Issue is not about Newell, but this article devotes an awful lot of space to him. Where is the condemnation of those 70 plus industry participants involved. It is “these people who are hellbent on destroying the greyhound racing industry and all the descent people who have contributed years of their life in the pursuit of racing dogs.”

  10. Halwes. Newell is Vet with a duty of care, first and foremost. I’m sure operations at both tracks were satisfactory for a time when first set up, but it is plainly clear that they no longer are. 

    This Issue is not about Newell, but this article devotes an awful lot of space to him. Where is the condemnation of those 70 plus industry participants involved. It is “these people who are hellbent on destroying the greyhound racing industry and all the descent people who have contributed years of their life in the pursuit of racing dogs.”

  11. Halwes if your “first hand experience” is that good, why didn’t you clear up the exact location of the Vietnam track? It is in fact in Vung Tau and the name of the track is Lam Son Stadium, 500 metres from the centre of Vung Tau. You have no credibility

  12. Halwes if your “first hand experience” is that good, why didn’t you clear up the exact location of the Vietnam track? It is in fact in Vung Tau and the name of the track is Lam Son Stadium, 500 metres from the centre of Vung Tau. You have no credibility

  13. I think some of you people are missing the picture. The RSPCA had a good go at wrecking the live meat export industry, found it too hard and have now turned to the low hanging fruit so to speak. ( That is the greyhound racing industry )

    If they keep it up they know eventually participants will walk away from it and by attrition the industry will cease to be. 

    That done they will turn on the trotting industry and then of course the horse racing industry. As for the 70 participants Barbara takes umbrage to I think people are entitled to make a living and if they own the dogs why can’t they sell their dogs to who they like. 

    My comments are not meant to be disrespectful to anyone, John Newell is a friend of mine and as I said previously was employed as a consultant by Mr Mey Ngoc Nyugen on the Vung Tau gryhound track venture. 

    He endeavoured to ensure NSW greyhound racing regulations were introduced and best practice procedures were in place as far as animal care goes .

    In addition,Phil Bell a former CEO of the NCA was also employed at that club innitally as the CEO. the Bario kenneling facility is the best I have see. I know nothing about the other track named in the article in Vietnam but the video of these dogs being destroyed was abhorrent  to anyone with compassion.(some of the 20% Barb)

    As for the Yat Yuen greyhound club in Macau which incidentally employs about 130 local people and until 2007 a number of Australians, it has been racing since the fourties long before John was around. I have worked there as has many other Australian trainers and administrators have and apart from the poor architecture of the kennel building the racing careers of the majority of greyhounds in Macau exceed ours and it is not unusual to see dogs competing well past 5. 

    Furthermore, the greyhounds in the Pudong Dong Wu Yan (Shanghai Safari Park) are used for exhibition trials only and are very well cared for, and yes I have worked there also.

    As I said earlier I am no longer an active participant in the industry but I have bred GP 1 dogs and trained many handy dogs and I like you Barb are dismayed with recent events.

  14. I think some of you people are missing the picture. The RSPCA had a good go at wrecking the live meat export industry, found it too hard and have now turned to the low hanging fruit so to speak. ( That is the greyhound racing industry )

    If they keep it up they know eventually participants will walk away from it and by attrition the industry will cease to be. 

    That done they will turn on the trotting industry and then of course the horse racing industry. As for the 70 participants Barbara takes umbrage to I think people are entitled to make a living and if they own the dogs why can’t they sell their dogs to who they like. 

    My comments are not meant to be disrespectful to anyone, John Newell is a friend of mine and as I said previously was employed as a consultant by Mr Mey Ngoc Nyugen on the Vung Tau gryhound track venture. 

    He endeavoured to ensure NSW greyhound racing regulations were introduced and best practice procedures were in place as far as animal care goes .

    In addition,Phil Bell a former CEO of the NCA was also employed at that club innitally as the CEO. the Bario kenneling facility is the best I have see. I know nothing about the other track named in the article in Vietnam but the video of these dogs being destroyed was abhorrent  to anyone with compassion.(some of the 20% Barb)

    As for the Yat Yuen greyhound club in Macau which incidentally employs about 130 local people and until 2007 a number of Australians, it has been racing since the fourties long before John was around. I have worked there as has many other Australian trainers and administrators have and apart from the poor architecture of the kennel building the racing careers of the majority of greyhounds in Macau exceed ours and it is not unusual to see dogs competing well past 5. 

    Furthermore, the greyhounds in the Pudong Dong Wu Yan (Shanghai Safari Park) are used for exhibition trials only and are very well cared for, and yes I have worked there also.

    As I said earlier I am no longer an active participant in the industry but I have bred GP 1 dogs and trained many handy dogs and I like you Barb are dismayed with recent events.

  15. Pathetic article attempting to try to divert attention away from and try to discredit the report that would not even exist if animal welfare really was actually the top priority for the Australian greyhound racing industry.  Thousands of greyhounds are killed each year by the industry, live-baiting exists and greyhounds are exported to a country that has no animal welfare – try to skip around it all you like, those are the facts.

  16. Pathetic article attempting to try to divert attention away from and try to discredit the report that would not even exist if animal welfare really was the top priority for the Australian greyhound racing industry.  Thousands of greyhounds are killed each year by the industry, live-baiting exists and greyhounds are exported to a country that has no animal welfare – try to skip around it all you like, those are the facts.

  17. Halwes “the racing careers of the majority of greyhounds in Macau exceed ours and it is not unusual to see dogs competing well past 5”.

    What a lovely “career” they have, and rewarded handsomely with insecticide or fed to the big cats at he Shanghai Wild Animal Park. 

    You don’t see Animals Australia focussing in on exports to NZ, US or Ireland.

  18. Halwes “the racing careers of the majority of greyhounds in Macau exceed ours and it is not unusual to see dogs competing well past 5″.


    What a lovely “career” they have, and rewarded handsomely with insecticide or fed to the big cats at he Shanghai Wild Animal Park. 

    You don’t see Animals Australia focussing in on exports to NZ, US or Ireland.  

  19. Molly obviously you are simply anti racing, actually by the fact the article is excellent
    Greyhounds Australasia established and was aware of the in humane treatment of animals in China and stopped issuing passports. If their is a loophole because of the government then it’s a governance issue not a greyhound issue.
    Animals Australia are trying to establish fair play in degrading the industry. They worked for 6mnths and say look at us we found this problem when GA found it back in 2005
    Pleaassssseeee! If their was a loophole for legal profitability in any item people would exploit it.

  20. Molly obviously you are simply anti racing, actually by the fact the article is excellent

    Greyhounds Australasia established and was aware of the in humane treatment of animals in China and stopped issuing passports. If their is a loophole because of the government then it’s a governance issue not a greyhound issue.

    Animals Australia are trying to establish fair play in degrading the industry. They worked for 6mnths and say look at us we found this problem when GA found it back in 2005

    Pleaassssseeee! If their was a loophole for legal profitability in any item people would exploit it.

  21. An absolutely crucial point in this outrageous piece of stitch up journalism from the ABC is that this vision is years old!!!!!!
    I have been to the track at Lam Son many times over the last ten years having worked in the country including living at Vung Tau where the track is for a year.
    Never, repeat never have I seen a blue jacket with the number 2 on it. Have a look at this horrible vision again and you see just that. It must be at least 10 years old and that mongrel White from the obnoxious AA should be sued for deceiptful malpractice and anything else we can think of.
    Come on down Greyhounds Australasia or any other body with the guts to take them on. Unfortunately it will be a long time coming and that is why we are getting thrashed by these b*****ds

  22. An absolutely crucial point in this outrageous piece of stitch up journalism from the ABC is that this vision is years old!!!!!!

    I have been to the track at Lam Son many times over the last ten years having worked in the country including living at Vung Tau where the track is for a year.

    Never, repeat never have I seen a blue jacket with the number 2 on it. Have a look at this horrible vision again and you see just that. It must be at least 10 years old and that mongrel White from the obnoxious AA should be sued for deceiptful malpractice and anything else we can think of.

    Come on down Greyhounds Australasia or any other body with the guts to take them on. Unfortunately it will be a long time coming and that is why we are getting thrashed by these b*****ds

  23. Joeyfromfullhouse Lets put  all the cards on the table  Re Animal Welfare, Man has been killing animals of all species for thousands of years so what has changed, NOTHING ,There is no doubt  Man is the cruelest animal on earth just  look at we what do to each other, killing each other by the thousands allover the world every day.To single out the Greyhound Industry  by these so called Animal Activist is only done because the industry is a easy target. If these people were honest about their  crusade,They would be stop the Slaughter Lambs,Sheep, Calves,Cattle, Piglets Pigs,Kids, Goats, Chickens,Ducks,Whales, Fish, Seals and many other animals, that walk this earth.In many Countries in this world starvation is rampant  and a balance that these people are looking for will never happen .I call these ACTIVISTS, The look at me syndrome,and how much money we can bleed from my followers. The people that Lyn White and Caro Meldrum Hannah should be attacking is Minister Barnbay Joyce and the Opposition Spokesperson Joel Fitzgiboin  re all exports of live Animals not the people who are trying to survive on this horrible place they call earth .If all the Animals mention above are not here for mans survival well why where they .  Well LYN and Caro don’t breed, If Race Horses and the Racing Greyhounds are breed  for Racing  that”s  like many over animals that’s what they were breed for. NOW if that’s not the case like i mention above we should not breed any animal at all. Lyn and Caro and others get a life and tell me what you all are eating for Christmas Diner i bet you it will taste like HYPOCRISY

  24. Joeyfromfullhouse Lets put  all the cards on the table  Re Animal Welfare, Man has been killing animals of all species for thousands of years so what has changed, NOTHING ,There is no doubt  Man is the cruelest animal on earth just  look at we what do to each other, killing each other by the thousands allover the world every day.To single out the Greyhound Industry  by these so called Animal Activist is only done because the industry is a easy target. If these people were honest about their  crusade,They would be stop the Slaughter Lambs,Sheep, Calves,Cattle, Piglets Pigs,Kids, Goats, Chickens,Ducks,Whales, Fish, Seals and many other animals, that walk this earth.In many Countries in this world starvation is rampant  and a balance that these people are looking for will never happen .I call these ACTIVISTS, The look at me syndrome,and how much money we can bleed from my followers. The people that Lyn White and Caro Meldrum Hannah should be attacking is Minister Barnbay Joyce and the Opposition Spokesperson Joel Fitzgiboin  re all exports of live Animals not the people who are trying to survive on this horrible place they call earth .If all the Animals mention above are not here for mans survival well why where they .  Well LYN and Caro don’t breed, If Race Horses and the Racing Greyhounds are breed  for Racing  that”s  like many over animals that’s what they were breed for. NOW if that’s not the case like i mention above we should not breed any animal at all. Lyn and Caro and others get a life and tell me what you all are eating for Christmas Diner i bet you it will taste like HYPOCRISY

  25. The RSPCA also agrees
    The RSPCA says there is no reason to ban the sport as other racing codes – and pet owners for that matter – are equally guilty.
    “We put down 10,000 cats a year in Melbourne alone and somewhere in the order of 6000 dogs,” Wirth says. “If you take that business to its logical conclusion, you should ban horseracing, greyhound racing and pet ownership on the basis that people will not stop excessively breeding animals.”

  26. The RSPCA also agrees

    The RSPCA says there is no reason to ban the sport as other racing codes – and pet owners for that matter – are equally guilty.

    “We put down 10,000 cats a year in Melbourne alone and somewhere in the order of 6000 dogs,” Wirth says. “If you take that business to its logical conclusion, you should ban horseracing, greyhound racing and pet ownership on the basis that people will not stop excessively breeding animals.”

  27. BobWhitelaw Joeyfromfullhouse Bob, as usual you come in and post ignorant misguided things.  Let’s examine the things you say:

    1. You suggest that AA is singling out greyhound racing.  COMPLETELY FALSE:  AA campaign against all the industries you mention, try looking into something before you make false statements.  Have you even visited their website?

    2. You suggest it’s misguided to attack animal food industries because the world is starving.  COMPLETELY MISGUIDED:  Do you realise that if we took all the food we feed to farmed animals, and gave it to humans instead, that we would actually have more food for humans?  Transfer of nutrients through trophic levels is not 100% efficient, not even close, you don’t just take grain and turn it into the same amount of energy but now it’s a cow, you actually lose a huge amount of food when you feed it to an animal first, and then eat that animal.  If you ate the food you used to feed the animal instead, you’d be able to feed a lot more people.  So it’s completely misguided to talk about wanting to feed the world yet argue for meat production. (I do realise that SOME meat is grazed on land that is not fertile enough for crops, so there are a few exceptions, but that is the minority of meat produced around the world).

    3. You suggest that AA haven’t taken their concerns to Barnaby Joyce.  COMPLETELY FALSE:  Just a few weeks ago one of the biggest cattle live export companies ALONGSIDE AA brought their concerns about lack of welfare regulation in the industry to Barnaby Joyce.  You can watch the episode of the 7:30 report on line where they do this, it even includes Barnaby’s response to their concerns.

    4.  You suggest that animals are here for man’s survival.  COMPLETELY FALSE:  To believe this, you would have to be a religious person who think’s we are Dod’s special species and he put everything here for our benefit.  That’s such an outdated way of thinking and all the evidence contradicts such ideas.  Each extant species that exists on the planet today does so because it has survived over billions of years of evolution.  The biological imperative of each species is to ensure it’s own survival, not to help another species survive at it’s own expense).

    You are actually correct when you say that we are the cruelest animal on earth, we have dominated all the other species (except the very small ones) and bent this planet to our will.  Should we not be better than this?  I am actually not against eating meat, but I see a large difference between animals that are raised in good conditions, have good lives, and are granted a swift and humane death without suffering.  Apparently it makes no difference to you weather they are killed quickly after a good life or if they are subjected to extreme pain and suffering.

    It makes a difference, it makes a huge difference to those animals, no one would choose a life of suffering over a life of contentment.

    Groups like AA are trying to make the world a more humane place.  Congratulations of being a heartless person devoid of empathy.  We need groups like AA to clean up industries that otherwise would do NOTHING to improve the welfare of the animals they use and instead put profit and greed ahead of everything else.  The Greyhound Industry is a perfect example of this, turning a blind eye to live baiting for decades.  Profit before everything huh?  Who cares, slaughter them all, make them suffer, so that we can have two cars and a four bedroom house and eat all the meat we want and go to the pub and buy big TVs and all the other meaningless crap we spend our money on.  That’s the attitude displayed in your post, and it makes me sick.

  28. BobWhitelaw Joeyfromfullhouse Bob, as usual you come in and post ignorant misguided things.  Let’s examine the things you say:

    1. You suggest that AA is singling out greyhound racing.  COMPLETELY FALSE:  AA campaign against all the industries you mention, try looking into something before you make false statements.  Have you even visited their website?

    2. You suggest it’s misguided to attack animal food industries because the world is starving.  COMPLETELY MISGUIDED:  Do you realise that if we took all the food we feed to farmed animals, and gave it to humans instead, that we would actually have more food for humans?  Transfer of nutrients through trophic levels is not 100% efficient, not even close, you don’t just take grain and turn it into the same amount of energy but now it’s a cow, you actually lose a huge amount of food when you feed it to an animal first, and then eat that animal.  If you ate the food you used to feed the animal instead, you’d be able to feed a lot more people.  So it’s completely misguided to talk about wanting to feed the world yet argue for meat production. (I do realise that SOME meat is grazed on land that is not fertile enough for crops, so there are a few exceptions, but that is the minority of meat produced around the world).

    3. You suggest that AA haven’t taken their concerns to Barnaby Joyce.  COMPLETELY FALSE:  Just a few weeks ago one of the biggest cattle live export companies ALONGSIDE AA brought their concerns about lack of welfare regulation in the industry to Barnaby Joyce.  You can watch the episode of the 7:30 report on line where they do this, it even includes Barnaby’s response to their concerns.

    4.  You suggest that animals are here for man’s survival.  COMPLETELY FALSE:  To believe this, you would have to be a religious person who think’s we are Dod’s special species and he put everything here for our benefit.  That’s such an outdated way of thinking and all the evidence contradicts such ideas.  Each extant species that exists on the planet today does so because it has survived over billions of years of evolution.  The biological imperative of each species is to ensure it’s own survival, not to help another species survive at it’s own expense).

    You are actually correct when you say that we are the cruelest animal on earth, we have dominated all the other species (except the very small ones) and bent this planet to our will.  Should we not be better than this?  I am actually not against eating meat, but I see a large difference between animals that are raised in good conditions, have good lives, and are granted a swift and humane death without suffering.  Apparently it makes no difference to you weather they are killed quickly after a good life or if they are subjected to extreme pain and suffering.

    It makes a difference, it makes a huge difference to those animals, no one would choose a life of suffering over a life of contentment.

    Groups like AA are trying to make the world a more humane place.  Congratulations of being a heartless person devoid of empathy.  We need groups like AA to clean up industries that otherwise would do NOTHING to improve the welfare of the animals they use and instead put profit and greed ahead of everything else.  The Greyhound Industry is a perfect example of this, turning a blind eye to live baiting for decades.  Profit before everything huh?  Who cares, slaughter them all, make them suffer, so that we can have two cars and a four bedroom house and eat all the meat we want and go to the pub and buy big TVs and all the other meaningless crap we spend our money on.  That’s the attitude displayed in your post, and it makes me sick.

  29. Halwes I’d like to know what your source is for claiming that RSPCA are only criticising the greyhound industry BECAUSE they failed to stop live export.  That sounds like complete conjecture to me.  The RSPCA has gone after the greyhound industry after it was exposed that many participants were breaching animal welfare laws.  The RSPCA also stands for principles that do not align with certain common practices in the greyhound industry, and many other industries.

    “I think people are entitled to make a living and if they own the dogs why can’t they sell their dogs to who they like” <– by this logic there should be no animal welfare laws.  You’re essentially saying that nothing should stand in the way of profit.  Is that really how you feel?  You seem to be an empathetic person judging from other comments you make.  If we have welfare laws here, and we as a society have agreed to abide by them, then don’t you see a problem with selling animals to other countries where they do not have animal welfare laws?  What is the point of these laws?  You no longer empathise with the animals when they are no longer within our sovereign borders?  What kind of logic is that?

  30. Halwes I’d like to know what your source is for claiming that RSPCA are only criticising the greyhound industry BECAUSE they failed to stop live export.  That sounds like complete conjecture to me.  The RSPCA has gone after the greyhound industry after it was exposed that many participants were breaching animal welfare laws.  The RSPCA also stands for principles that do not align with certain common practices in the greyhound industry, and many other industries.  As long as those practices persist, there will be antagonism between the RSPCA and various industries that make use of animals.

    I think people are entitled to make a living and if they own the dogs why can’t they sell their dogs to who they like” <– by this logic there should be no animal welfare laws.  You’re essentially saying that nothing should stand in the way of profit.  Is that really how you feel?  You seem to be an empathetic person judging from other comments you make.  If we have welfare laws here, and we as a society have agreed to abide by them, then don’t you see a problem with selling animals to other countries where they do not have animal welfare laws?  What is the point of these laws?  You no longer empathise with the animals when they are no longer within our sovereign borders?  What kind of logic is that?


    If we have standards for the treatment of animals within Australia and we care about their welfare, if we care about reducing the amount of suffering they have to endure, then we should take responsibility for their welfare when we sell them to other countries.  To just wash your hands of all responsibility as soon as they are given to someone else is heartless and morally corrupt.

  31. Joeyfromfullhouse  yep totally right…according to RSPCA and animal abuse cases they have receive… its something like 30000 cases….of which 50% relate to dogs and out of the 50% 1-2% relate to the greyhound breed…(some cases will be from pet owners side not always racing people for greyhounds) so on this the people who are most likely to abuse animals are pet owners….and its more likely that the greyhound would be treated better with a racing owner…so on this theory can all people who own greyhounds and are pet owners could you please drop you greyhounds off to the rspca so a greyhound racing person can pick it up and have it looked after properly….this just shows you how greyhound racing is being discriminated against…

  32. Joeyfromfullhouse  yep totally right…according to RSPCA and animal abuse cases they have receive… its something like 30000 cases….of which 50% relate to dogs and out of the 50% 1-2% relate to the greyhound breed…(some cases will be from pet owners side not always racing people for greyhounds) so on this the people who are most likely to abuse animals are pet owners….and its more likely that the greyhound would be treated better with a racing owner…so on this theory can all people who own greyhounds and are pet owners could you please drop you greyhounds off to the rspca so a greyhound racing person can pick it up and have it looked after properly….this just shows you how greyhound racing is being discriminated against…

  33. Hugh_ BobWhitelaw Joeyfromfullhouse  hugh you seriously are misguided….AA lie to drum up support and donation money this is FRAUD…I can prove it too if you like….but im guessing you wont want to see it or turn a blind eye to the truth…..you talk about profit before anything lol and try defend AA in the same breath…wow you are very special kind of person… you say to bob he is heartless person devoid of empathy…this I find so funny…do you know the meaning of empathy…because your statement proves that you don’t quite get the meaning…can you place yourself in the shoes of bob or greyhound racing people and feel what we are feeling??????? im guessing no according to your rant about bob…so who is the person devoid of empathy bob or YOU.

  34. Hugh_ BobWhitelaw Joeyfromfullhouse  hugh you seriously are misguided….AA lie to drum up support and donation money this is FRAUD…I can prove it too if you like….but im guessing you wont want to see it or turn a blind eye to the truth…..you talk about profit before anything lol and try defend AA in the same breath…wow you are very special kind of person… you say to bob he is heartless person devoid of empathy…this I find so funny…do you know the meaning of empathy…because your statement proves that you don’t quite get the meaning…can you place yourself in the shoes of bob or greyhound racing people and feel what we are feeling??????? im guessing no according to your rant about bob…so who is the person devoid of empathy bob or YOU.

  35. Joeyfromfullhouse  GA and scott parker…its possible scott parker is aligned with the animals welfare groups..when grey2kusa came over to Australia scott sat down with the 2 founders and had lunch…directly after grey2kusa used scotts image to push their lies…then month later a classified document which was a lie, was leaked to the media and these animal welfare groups…grey2kus spread a lot of money around the place while here in oz…I wonder if scott parker received any of this money…..as for the exporting…to me what is being don’t is the same what they doing to us…discriminating…..not all Asian people are bad..not all Asian people are animal abusers..this is what they said about us in Australia…. all greyhound people should be jailed and worse was the comments that came from these antis….now they realised racing aint going to be banned here so they are attacking others…attacking different angles…well it is discrimination and racist….they showed that bloke “rescuing greys” in macau… is animals Australia flying each greyhound in this person care back to Australia to be looked after, since animals should not be allowed in asian countries according to them and QANTAS….or is animals Australia full of shit and don’t believe what they say themselves…… im waiting AA to see if you do bring these greyhounds back…

  36. PhillipMarkou Hugh_ BobWhitelaw Joeyfromfullhouse I can attempt to put myself in the shoes of others.  And when I do so, I find that the pain of some short term financial hardship, the likes of which most people face at some time in their life, pales compared to the pain many animals experience in industries with insufficient welfare standards.  I don’t limit my empathy to humans, perhaps that is the difference between us.

    With regards to bob specifically, I don’t know anything about Bob, I’m simply arguing with his views.  Criticizing someone’s ideas is not a lack of empathy.

    Happy to review your “poof” whenever you wish to provide it.  AA raise money to fund their investigations and activism, the people that donate that money do so knowing this.  If I were made aware that someone behind the scenes was making huge money out of it and not putting that money back into the cause, then I would agree with you.  Please show me your evidence of this.  If I was made aware that AA were knowingly lying about their investigations, then I would agree with you.  Please show me your evidence of this.  I realise that some people here are claiming that AA are lying, but it’s pretty hard to take such claims seriously from an industry that has demonstrated itself to be so morally corrupt.  The fact that you all tolerated and turned a blind eye to live baiting for so long has ruined your credibility for some time.

    I also realise that there is probably nothing I can say to someone like you, in this forum, that would make you value the wellbeing of animals more strongly.  If you don’t already feel that it’s wrong for animals to be made to suffer for human financial gain, then I’m not going to be the one to convince you otherwise.

  37. PhillipMarkou Hugh_ BobWhitelaw Joeyfromfullhouse I can attempt to put myself in the shoes of others.  And when I do so, I find that the pain of some short term financial hardship, the likes of which most people face at some time in their life, pales compared to the pain many animals experience in industries with insufficient welfare standards.  I don’t limit my empathy to humans, perhaps that is the difference between us.

    With regards to bob specifically, I don’t know anything about Bob, I’m simply arguing with his views.  Criticizing someone’s ideas is not a lack of empathy.

    Happy to review your “poof” whenever you wish to provide it.  AA raise money to fund their investigations and activism, the people that donate that money do so knowing this.  If I were made aware that someone behind the scenes was making huge money out of it and not putting that money back into the cause, then I would agree with you.  Please show me your evidence of this.  If I was made aware that AA were knowingly lying about their investigations, then I would agree with you.  Please show me your evidence of this.  I realise that some people here are claiming that AA are lying, but it’s pretty hard to take such claims seriously from an industry that has demonstrated itself to be so morally corrupt.  The fact that you all tolerated and turned a blind eye to live baiting for so long has ruined your credibility for some time.

    I also realise that there is probably nothing I can say to someone like you, in this forum, that would make you value the wellbeing of animals more strongly.  If you don’t already feel that it’s wrong for animals to be made to suffer for human financial gain, then I’m not going to be the one to convince you otherwise.

  38. PhillipMarkou Joeyfromfullhouse 

    Basically all of the greyhound pet owners took the greyhounds after the greyhound racing people didnt want them.

  39. PhillipMarkou Joeyfromfullhouse Really Phillip?  The fact that the majority of animal abuse cases reported relate to pet ownership does not equate to a statistically higher probability of a pet being treated worse than a greyhound in the racing industry.  Such a claim *might* be true, but the statistics you quote don’t demonstrate this at all.

    At a minimum, you would need statistics on the percentage of greyhounds within the industry that experience welfare breaches vs the percentage of all pets owned that experience welfare breaches.  Then you could compared the statistical likelihood of one class of animal experiencing abuse compared to the other.  Even then it wouldn’t tell the whole story because you would have to take into account reporting bias, which would be different for both classes.

  40. PhillipMarkou Joeyfromfullhouse Really Phillip?  The fact that the majority of animal abuse cases reported relate to pet ownership does not equate to a statistically higher probability of a pet being treated worse than a greyhound in the racing industry.  Such a claim *might* be true, but the statistics you quote don’t demonstrate this at all.

    At a minimum, you would need statistics on the percentage of greyhounds within the industry that experience welfare breaches vs the percentage of all pets owned that experience welfare breaches.  Then you could compared the statistical likelihood of one class of animal experiencing abuse compared to the other.  Even then it wouldn’t tell the whole story because you would have to take into account reporting bias, which would be different for both classes.