Robert Borsak welcomes the retirement of Premier Mike Baird

SHOOTERS, Fishers and Farmers Party MLC Robert Borsak has welcomed the resignation of NSW Premier Mike Baird in a media statement released on Thursday afternoon.

Borsak has firmly opposed many of Baird’s policies, one of which was the NSW greyhound racing ban announced in July 2016.

Despite public backlash forcing him to backflip on the ban, Borsak has still made his disdain for several Baird government decisions made abundantly clear.

“Mike Baird’s retirement is welcomed by the Shooters Fishers and Farmers Party,” Borsak said.

“While we have generally supported this Government’s mandate over the last few years, what we are now witnessing is the culmination of a number of very bad decisions.

“Those decisions relating to the sale of poles and wires which could have been handled differently, forced council amalgamations, the banning of the greyhound racing industry, and now the theft of crown lands in New South Wales is what has ultimately cost Mike Baird his job.

“We have always opposed these policies, and with the election of Philip Donato MP in Orange late last year, the Premier’s retirement is a continuation of a major change in New South Wales politics.”

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NSW Opposition Leader Luke Foley also spoke out in regards to Baird’s resignation, stating his retirement from politics will not change the opposition’s role moving forward.

“I think the job for me and my team hasn’t changed – to hold this government to account. This government needs more than a new premier – it needs a new direction,” Foley said.

“I want to thank Mike Baird for his service to NSW – to serve as the Premier for Australia’s largest state is the greatest of honours. He has worked as Premier and as Treasurer of NSW – today we reflect that Mr Baird has rendered substantial service to NSW life.

“I want to wish Mike Baird and his lovely family all the best for the future.”

Treasurer and Deputy Leader of the NSW Liberal Party Gladys Berejiklian is expected to become the next Premier of NSW, with a party room meeting set to confirm her appointment early next week.

She has been installed as the $1.30 favourite to replace Mike Baird with leading online bookmaker Sportsbet.

“According to the betting, the job is Gladys Berejiklian’s to lose and she will be a clear winner in the spill,” said Sportsbet.com.au’s Christian Jantzen.

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Past Discussion

  1. Trevor H BobWhitelaw Trevor there have been two interventions to the inter/intra-code agreements by legislation. One was to remove the Industry Financial Group COBIDD from the memorandum of understanding between the greyhound parties and the control board. (under the Greyhound Act 2002) and also under the Tab Acts involved with the Merger of the AJC/STC special considerations. (intra and inter-code agreement, While the breaking of contracts by Government legislation excites compensation in both the above cases compensation was not claimed as the majority interests in both cases were seen to be advantaged and the minority groups could not afford to advance cases at court.

    The reason for the Government putting an embargo on the two chapters of the inter code agreement to do with code percentages is that the decision would effect the major shareholders in the all codes company and cause compensation to be paid. 

    If the inter code percentages are changed by legislation  without mutual agreements then the greyhounds would still be discriminated against as the horses would receive an extra payment of compensation to compensate for the loss.

    The greyhounds went into negotiations on the ICA and the situation became a dispute between a percentage payment between 0 (the Governments position) and 22% the Greyhounds position. A part solution was suggested leaving the greyhounds on 13% and allowing them 10% on a tax equalisation scheme (calculated on the public interest benefit of each code).

    The Government decided that the greyhounds had lost their social licence meaning that they were not entitled to payments at all and that compensation was not applicable.

    The ban on greyhounds is now to be overturned and the situation will return to the status quo as to the tote payments to industry.

    The 10% future fund public interest payments totals an all code payment of million over the first five years and then a review for each corresponding 5 years. The greyhounds million was with held pending the  result of the greyhound inquiries. These monies will be release on application to the fund and if the retiring Premier was still in power the million spent on the inquiries etc would be deducted from the greyhound fund allocation. Maybe this will not happen now.

    As the future fund is paid at a percentage for greyhounds less than the percentage they get under the inter code agreement you would expect the percentage of the fund to greyhounds to reduce in the next five year assessment period. The fund is expected to pay a total of total. Say that the greyhound percentage will reduce to 8% then the payment due to the greyhounds will be million or just over 6 million per year. If Bob is right and Wentworth Park costs the industry k per year and the future fund assesses Wentworth Park in the same vane as they assess the special events and tourism at Randwick ,then the percentage paid in the public interest will increase the greyhound percentage and be revenue positive.

    It is interesting that the horses deal with countries that the greyhounds have bans on for animal welfare matters and that the horses are printing websites in Chinese as well as English while we ignore events like the Chinese celebrations when we are right alongside China Town.

  2. Trevor H BobWhitelaw  is this issue more highlighted since the increase of meetings,australia wide. some states are handling it, but NSW is suffocating…..reduce some tracks,(feasibility studies show which ones) and reduce the number of meetings per track,especially those that are not classed as A tracks,and surrender WP…..maths says a then reduction in breeding numbers will not be so severe as people think!

    one member I have chatted with,is he is surprised  that many cannot see the values of having  so called SUPERTRACKS placed strategically where everyone,in time,in those zones,would benefit.and,all would be classed equals,so things like travel are cut,prizemoney the same on each of the SUPERTRACKS and businesses connected to the industry like vets/produce suppliers etc; could also be on track to produce a NON -WHITE ELEPHANT situation that usually forms when such construction is built.and one has to also consider the value of food….yep,how that is structured onto such a construction,could make or break it. proper facilities for an ongoing well managed restaurant is so vital…look outside just the dog situation.

    I do not understand the TAX PARITY,but it seems its a better proposal to the industry than even the ICA. would this also be correct?

    has to be a numbers reduction situation,as time has caught NSW out with the sheer volume of tracks.

  3. lone widow The new premier revealed her family background in an interview recently outside of Parliament house explaining how her approach would differ from the previous Premier due to their different backgrounds.

    I don’t know to what extent you  might find the following prompt useful but you can profile all politicians by googling their speeches in parliament including debates and questions and answers. The most revealing is the member maiden speech.

    If you are visiiting or writing to members of parliament it always pays to profile the member so you can talk or write on common grounds.

    Here is a prompt to the new Premiers “maiden speech” It needs to be remembered that she is referring a lot to her electorate that is true blue Liberal heartland but her personality comes across. I will leave it to you to judge, 

    https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Hansard/Pages/HansardResult.aspx#/docid/HANSARD-1323879322-84421/link/21

  4. lone widow John Tracey Trevor H BobWhitelaw Bluestone The new premier revealed her family background in an interview recently outside of Parliament house explaining how her approach would differ from the previous Premier due to their different backgrounds.

    I don’t know to what extent you  might find the following prompt useful but you can profile all politicians by googling their speeches in parliament including debates and questions and answers. The most revealing is the member maiden speech.

    If you are visiiting or writing to members of parliament it always pays to profile the member so you can talk or write on common grounds.

    Here is a prompt to the new Premiers “maiden speech” It needs to be remembered that she is referring a lot to her electorate that is true blue Liberal heartland but her personality comes across. I will leave it to you to judge, 

    https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Hansard/Pages/HansardResult.aspx#/docid/HANSARD-1323879322-84421/link/21

  5. spyman Trevor H BobWhitelaw The below prompt shows the difference between the competition of phantom racing broadcasts to on track broadcasts between NSW and Victoria. The venue of excellence in NSW need to excellent about something other than food outlets and wagering entertainment. There are many poker Machine Clubs in NSW that have a wagering (Gaming return) individually greater than the whole of the money paid to NSW greyhound racing by the TAB. The new norm is the an mal welfare spend and infrastructure into the future. The 400 odd show dog clubs do not have much common property attached to them and the poker machine clubs do not cater for people with animals , so unless the greyhounds wait for ever to loose another opportunity , the centre of excellences have to be the NFP greyhound club and racecourse structures.

    Cut and Paste outlets.

    http://apps.nowwhere.com.au/tabcorp/locator

  6. spyman Trevor H BobWhitelaw  Spyman a lot of what you are suggesting makes good business sense , Just after the sh*t hit the fan with the Ban a few of us had a meeting with very successful  Sports administrator  at the top level (example  a huge Sporting organisation that was on its knees Financially and within 3 years he turned around their fortunes to  be  one  of the most successful  profitable sporting clubs in Australia  and before that, he was  head Honcho at the Tab.) this fellow mapped out a strategy  for us  which would  see us as a viable part of the Racing codes with adjustments to the tax parity and the ica which would not hurt the other two codes of racing  and the government .As you say, Super Tracks was  also mention as it makes a good business sense ,as he said why would close a country track that’s not burden on the industry even if they are  only earning , now if they were losing a dollar i would be raising concerns and its not economically sound that a Track is costing the Industry hundreds of thousands of dollars just because of its location, that’s bad business . Center of Excellence is a strategy that must be adopted to take the industry into the future with new infrastructure, entertainment at all levels beside racing Greyhounds, 1st class restaurants and other entertainment,Vet clinics,produce  for all animals, First class facilities attract people for all walks of life .Sypman this is the Man  the Government  should be chasing to re build our industry not a recycled CEO failure that have led us down the path of self destruction.

  7. BobWhitelaw spyman Trevor H  BOB,you have raised this gent once before. how does one say something without tipping the apple cart?

    is this gent so well respected,that a movement could be possible to put him to the front of the industry instead of MR.SCOTT?

    surely a members election of urgency could be raised,this gent put forward,and motioned?you know that is not that simple via your past knowledges,so how does one compare the two ideas?and BRENTON SCOTT has favour with the NSW government for sure.

    NSW is a very strange situation,and your own experiences have shown what walls can/will be built in front of you.

    as a MEXICAN,i can see the problems,but its within the state that all this needs rectifying. the 100foot journey comes to mind.

  8. BobWhitelaw Trevor H  I see plenty on social media blaming Mr. Wilson for the lack of condition of tracks especially Maitland and Gosford. Maybe they should look a bit closer to home as obviously the curators at those tracks are not up to scratch if a track like the Gardens can be still up and running through all the same weather events. Same sand, different results….hmmmm.

  9. Bluestone BobWhitelaw Trevor H With regards to Gosford, the decisions to abandon were made by relatively new GRNSW staff. After the torrential rain washed out half of this weeks meeting the curator must be commended for having the track in order for last nights trial session. 

    Again, a GRNSW steward was in attendance for the trials and saw no issues with the track surface. 

  10. Trevor H Bluestone BobWhitelaw Trevor i would like to a  pose a couple of questions to you .(1)how would feel if Gosford  is one of the Tracks that is closed,  it was one of the tracks the Government were looking at to claim when the ban was put in place (2) What qualifications has a steward in the area of Track preparation and how does he deem a track  is safe ? being a ex compliance officer hardly  gives him the expertise in track surfaces, one would believe!. 

  11. spyman BobWhitelaw Trevor H i believe the other to codes will use their political influence to keep him away from being the head honcho of greyhound racing here in nsw. You will ask why, and i’ll tell you he is a lot smarter then  them and any person person that the industry or government has ever put up to do right thing by the industry. all before have failed including Mr Scott. . Spyman Did you know, Scott went to  him for advice so what does that tell you !  

  12. BobWhitelaw Trevor H Bluestone Good question. The consolidation of tracks from an economic view must also consider the demographic concerning where dogs and trainers reside.For arguments sake, Gosford could close and Richmond could be developed into a dual track venue. Also,Gardens and Maitland could close and Cessnock could become a dual track venue. This is purely hypothetical. 

    As for stewards having the final say on track condition, would it not be better to have the track maintenance manager control this area?

  13. Trevor H BobWhitelaw Bluestone  imo we already have a blueprint of tracks that could be used in a new structure. I know many will not agree however, the current 16 TAB tracks are deemed at an acceptable standard already (debatable), so none of them should close. The addition of a further 4-5 NON TAB tracks (some are already loam) and a straight track would see NSW with 21-22 TAB Tracks with not a massive amount having to be spent on re-development. Different class of meetings could be held at each alternatively (Ipswich etc).

    If all conducted at least 1 meeting per week  that’s 21-22 meetings a week for 52 weeks a year. Or between 1092 and 1144 meetings per annum all with TAB coverage. Whether that is sustainable/profitable I have no idea.

  14. Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw The mail is that the new structure will be based around the Center of Excellence concept  which will mean some tracks might go and with the Panel talking about reduction in field sizes who knows.In saying that why would the head body want all those Tab tracks ,now i understand that one Tab Track dose’not meet the minimum requirements to conduct Tab Racing ,this also applies to a few non tab tracks and if the new head body is put in place and who knows when, they could again, move the goal post to suit their agenda ?

  15. Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw The rationalist models are difficult to debate without knowing the current state of the contracts handled by Racing corp which is the shareholder company between the three codes that determines relationships between the codes and the Tab. (contracts can be altered by mutual consent) and it would appear to be safe that the minority shareholder “the greyhounds” position would have got worse overtime.

    The original conditions of the agreement between racing, the Government and the TAB was for the industry to receive a share of the exclusive retail rights of the TAB to provide wagering services on anything  the Tab bet on including sports betting. To gain this concession racing had to provide the TAB with a minimum amount of race meetings in the form of a venue arrangements.

    In round figures the agreement required the greyhounds to provide 600 meetings available for outside broadcast where at 100 had to be raced at the Wentworth Park venue 300 at the Regional venues ( now Richmond ,Bulli, Dapto Maitland Gosford). and 200 anywhere else,

    Under the agreement the whole 600 meetings could be run at Wentworth Park (technically),

    as the provision of extra meetings at the higher venue levels was not a breech of contracts. 

    The first departure from the agreement was for the greyhounds to provide 50 additional meetings for twilight racing. These meetings cost the greyhound purse K per annum in link and bearer (broadcast) costs alone and would have needed to have created millions in turnover per meeting over additional revenue to be economical.

    The TAB as a provider suggested that NSW should restrict its Venues to six Tab outlets within the State to defray the costs of the new digital broadcast costs. Wha has happened now is the broadcast costs have been dramatically reduced suiting the greyhound expansion (possibly beyond the TAB, but the greyhounds suffer legacy costs of the TAb and contracts.

    The suggested rationalisation of tracks and racing to satisfy welfare concerns is much more radical. the radical model suggests that there only needs to be two tracks per state to satisfy broadcasts requirements.

    The whole system of greyhound racing in NSW is predicated on a time when 8o% of the participants lived in the Sydney metropolitan area and country racing contained 40% Sydney nominations to race.

    The real financial situation for the greyhound community is the cost per unit of the greyhound activity and this is totally different economics to the Tab supply/demand.

    The right of passage for participants to euthanise greyhounds has caused a lack of focus .in my view . to the development of greyhound racing not only in the welfare aspects but in the real economics of the sport (unit costs and other financial opportunities.

    The infrastructure and social services to canines is extremely deficient to cater for the modern world and the greyhounds have at last got their feet in the water. Opportunity knocks but not often more than once.

  16. John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw 

    ”The suggested rationalisation of tracks and racing to satisfy welfare concerns is much more radical. the radical model suggests that there only needs to be two tracks per state to satisfy broadcasts requirements”

    and this is the whole basis that many miss the point on. you do not require as many tracks,especially in NSW,if the service to TAB/SKY on the contract sides,is not mucked around with.

    so honestly,as one mentioned before,DEMOGRAPHICS of SUPERTRACKS is a vital key,and if placed correctly,then NSW will survive on only 6 tracks.meet the number of contracted races required by TAB,and the costs just have to spiral….DOWN.

    I have screamed from the mountain tops,that 6 tracks,provided they are demographically positioned,and provided they are all designated as TAB CLASS and provided the prizemonies are exactly the same through all 6 tracks,wham bamm thank you man,problem solved…..sort of….lol

    Its harder than that I know,but KISS and the problems will be solved.SUPERTRACK the 6,with everything needed to run a pro business,and utilise closed(some) tracks as break in establishments,and I will be PREMIER next month….lol

  17. spyman John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw Your and Johns post has just proven the leaders, up to the time of the BAN have lead us down the road of  destruction , and now some  still believe they have done nothing wrong.  (A NEW BROOM SWEEPS CLEAN ) Please  no more excuses for incompetence.

  18. BobWhitelaw spyman John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H Fair comment,

    but it a lot worse than even you imagine.

    The extra meetings over and above the Tab contract were paid for by the greyhounds prior to digital system so they were uneconomic. The TAB were required to convert the contracted meetings to digital causing them to pay costs and this is why they wanted to reduce the number of TAB venues to six. 

    The previous situation saw the greyhounds having a low cost per race of providing racing but a high cost for them to produce racing to be broadcasted over Sky. This situation favoured the horses as there large costs were in producing a meeting compared to the cost of a broadcast so initially the broadcast of meetings from track to the grid was expensive and the interstate greyhound racing in the states other than NSW was in its infancy. The technology now favours the greyhounds but they carry the legacy of the under development of the TAB and associated legacy problems including technology and contracts.

    I have no idea who you think will be pushing the new broom . The greyhounds have had ample opportunities to elect their own reps in organisations. The commercial company that runs the inter-code is made up of Directors of the three codes, the greyhounds are the minority code. The best deal a minority shareholder has is always at the beginning of a contract, 

    The horse industry was said to be a billion industry in 1990.

    The Dog Industry has been assessed as a billion dollar industry with 4.8 million registered dogs. There is million households that would like to have a dog as a part of the family. If dogs lived to an average of 10 years and there was a natural replacement then on the basis of around 1 dog per household the number of living dogs at anyone time would be  10 million, so why are the number of dogs obtained below the desired rate (his is a marketing and promotion question)

    The unit cost of greyhounds will rise due to welfare considerations as  additional dogs will be kept alive and require services.

    The greyhounds currently receive about #110 million per year in prize money and it costs between and million to provide the greyhounds for racing. These figures can be disputed but they are better percentages that the Racehorses. The to million is

    income to somebody associated with greyhounds. The adoption of greyhounds will produce a lot of additional  expenses and income for someone.I estimate the cost at million per year.

    The Canine adventure is leading to more services such as burials etc. The current number of dogs dying each year in Australia is (natural causes or whatever) is 480,000. There seems to be a market in there for greyhound centres whether race courses or otherwise to benefit from services and infrastructure.

    If we have stiffed everything up as you suggest and none of us are totally innocent , then the first arrangement must have been the best as this is the one that all the stuff ups originated from.

    Anyway it is a good debate and I am very interested to know who is pushing the 7th new broom since the 1998 float.

  19. spyman John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw John when you take up your position as Premier  the first thing you could do for the Greyhound Industry is  the implementation of all the recommendations of the CAMERON REPORT which would put us on a level playing field with the under performing  two  codes of Racing  here in NSW just for starters ! lol

  20. BobWhitelaw spyman John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H Thanks for your confidence Bob, the first thing I will do when I am Premier is appoint you as the Minister for Gaming and Racing and you can do the hard slog. I will need to spend time in the USA as I am worried what the Donald will do to Spyman who is a self confessed Mexican.

    Apart from that I will try and bring back the death penalty and get a list of officials that you think deserve to be euthanised.

    Good to see you have kept your sense of humour. Just on the funny side did you see Paul Murray this morning on the Northern Territory pro mo publicity. It was a slogan in initials .

    Reading See You at the Northern Territory and it came out like 

    CU at NT.

       the

    The welfare rely on the Noble aspects of the greyhounds involved with King CNUT credited with the forrest laws 1014 (Even though they should have been credited to the Norman Conquest). The King’s name makes him one of the most dangerous people previous living for dysletics.

  21. John Tracey BobWhitelaw spyman Bluestone Trevor H I think  Donald will have to learn how to ” DUCK” ! them Mexicans are pretty good shots i’ve been told. lol John, interesting times ahead with this By-Elections we might see another Orange result  ha?

  22. John Tracey BobWhitelaw spyman Bluestone Trevor H  most MEXICANS JOHN, are good honest hard working people. nice people.(says TRUMP)…….take it from me though,better start building that WALL……LOL

    DEATH PENALTY…..I did’ nt think things ere that bad up there……cough,cough,cough.

    we have the answers BOB,JOHNand me ,the little MEXICAN HACIENDA owner…..ready to be paid an equitable wage for my efforts…..grease my MEXICAN palms.(everyone elses have been greased….whoa,below the belt that shot)

  23. spyman John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw 

    Supertracks could be the way to go Gale, with a couple of provisos. My thoughts are wholly with the greyhounds themselves. Providing these so called centres of excellence  are focused around the track itself and not the restaurant and the tiolets and other facilities.  Preferably modeled on the bigger Cessnock, Devonport or Mandurah (75 mtr radius bends) and not Sandown otherwise we will get more of the same, traumatic injuries, nothing will change.

    In a previous post John said that rebuilding the tracks was not an option because it was too costly. John if you’re out there, how much are these centres of excellence going to cost?

    Can they be built around the track rather than the track around the facilities as an afterthought?

  24. lone widow spyman John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw Centre of excellences by definition rely on what you want to be excellent about.

    The cost of building a track and providing kennels to accommodate a shift from Wentworth Park back to Harold Park was assessed at million in the 19995-1998 period. These building costs would have doubled probably in todays values particularly taking into account the soaring cost of kennels.

    The scheme you are talking about was put forward by participant groups and was assessed by boards before I took up duties and both the Stanford Merthyr and the Liverpool trial tracks came in at an estimated million. I do not have the details but these scheme would be million plus and above the allocated amount allowed of 1.5 million. I assume that because the schemes were over the limit of funding from the fund that they were not considered in the compulsory treasury evaluation for projects over K.

    The problem with schemes that focus on limited public benefit is that it is difficult to attract funding as evident in the current Future Fund allocations. The return to a centre of excellence specifically for trainers and greyhound welfare might be woth another try as there is now some focus on animal welfare.

    The greyhounds have a special problem as they fared badly in the previous split up between the codes on the previous universal capital fund as they contributed about 13.2 percent (13.5 allowing for inflation)  and received only between 7 and 10% back. Worse still they got their main allocation early and the K special payment to the fund on privatisation saw the greyhounds share taken up by the .5 million owing to the fund by the scheme but allocated to the greyhound fund and impossible to recover.

    The capital scheme transferred to the greyhounds was virtually a bare cupboard so they only funding available to the greyhounds after privatisation was essentially drawn out of the TAB distribution at the expense of prize money.

    The only way a cenre of excellence will work in my view is to have one centre in Australia at Canberra like the centre for sports. The are only a small number of tracks in Australia compared to other canine clubs and the horses. The one center of excellence will cater for overseas interests and research will n ot be duplicated as a contribution will be made from all states in a practical way. Everyone of importance that comes to Australia visits Canberra. The set up in Canberra will constitute a big business unlike the small business aqnd the neglect of greyhounds Statewide. When the research reaches a helpful level the other tracks will benefit from it.

    History.

    There was a movement to produce a centre of excellence for safe tracks and a minimalist infrastructure for other facilities in the 1998’s connected with the Tab Float and the transfer of the greyhound share of the previous greyhound fund.

    Under the Minister (prior to the transfer of funds) he was willing to allocate 1.5 million under his strategic plan for the Beaumont Park Greyhound (owned by the Newcastle Jockey Club)  track to be dropped inside the Cessnock one turn track. At the same time other clubs could bid for the 1.5 million allocation and if successful subject to a treasury stile evaluation they could outbid Cessnock.

    The offer dragged on to the point where the 1.5 million was not taken up by anyone so the greyhounds lost the allocation of 1.5 million from the transfer of the previous future fund.

    The Minister also considered buying Beaumont Park from the Horses and gift it to the dogs but obviously he was convinced to save 1.5 million by accepting the Cessnock option.

    The counter offers to Cessnock came from Maitland, Stanford Mertha?. Gosford, Liverpool trial track and a mystery track in the West that the Minister offered to the greyhounds if they did not renew their WP licence and also there was an offer to re build at track at Wentworth Park for both the NCA and GBOTA to share if they left Wentworth Park.

  25. lone widow spyman John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw Centre of excellences by definition rely on what you want to be excellent about.

    The cost of building a track and providing kennels to accommodate a shift from Wentworth Park back to Harold Park was assessed at million in the 19995-1998 period. These building costs would have doubled probably in todays values particularly taking into account the soaring cost of kennels.

    The scheme you are talking about was put forward by participant groups and was assessed by boards before I took up duties and both the Stanford Merthyr and the Liverpool trial tracks came in at an estimated million. I do not have the details but these scheme would be million plus and above the allocated amount allowed of 1.5 million. I assume that because the schemes were over the limit of funding from the fund that they were not considered in the compulsory treasury evaluation for projects over K.

    The problem with schemes that focus on limited public benefit is that it is difficult to attract funding as evident in the current Future Fund allocations. The return to a centre of excellence specifically for trainers and greyhound welfare might be woth another try as there is now some focus on animal welfare.

    The greyhounds have a special problem as they fared badly in the previous split up between the codes on the previous universal capital fund as they contributed about 13.2 percent (13.5 allowing for inflation)  and received only between 7 and 10% back. Worse still they got their main allocation early and the K special payment to the fund on privatisation saw the greyhounds share taken up by the .5 million owing to the fund by the scheme but allocated to the greyhound fund and impossible to recover.

    The capital scheme transferred to the greyhounds was virtually a bare cupboard so they only funding available to the greyhounds after privatisation was essentially drawn out of the TAB distribution at the expense of prize money.

    The only way a cenre of excellence will work in my view is to have one centre in Australia at Canberra like the centre for sports. The are only a small number of tracks in Australia compared to other canine clubs and the horses. The one center of excellence will cater for overseas interests and research will n ot be duplicated as a contribution will be made from all states in a practical way. Everyone of importance that comes to Australia visits Canberra. The set up in Canberra will constitute a big business unlike the small business and the neglect of greyhounds Statewide. When the research reaches a helpful level the other tracks will benefit from it.

    History.

    There was a movement to produce a centre of excellence for safe tracks and a minimalist infrastructure for other facilities in the 1998’s connected with the Tab Float and the transfer of the greyhound share of the previous greyhound fund.

    Under the Minister (prior to the transfer of funds) he was willing to allocate 1.5 million under his strategic plan for the Beaumont Park Greyhound (owned by the Newcastle Jockey Club)  track to be dropped inside the Cessnock one turn track. At the same time other clubs could bid for the 1.5 million allocation and if successful subject to a treasury stile evaluation they could outbid Cessnock.

    The offer dragged on to the point where the 1.5 million was not taken up by anyone so the greyhounds lost the allocation of 1.5 million from the transfer of the previous future fund.

    The Minister also considered buying Beaumont Park from the Horses and gift it to the dogs but obviously he was convinced to save 1.5 million by accepting the Cessnock option.

    The counter offers to Cessnock came from Maitland, Stanford Mertha?. Gosford, Liverpool trial track and a mystery track in the West that the Minister offered (but could not get the funding) to the greyhounds if they did not renew their WP licence and also there was an offer to re build at track at Harold Park for both the NCA and GBOTA to share if they left Wentworth Park.

  26. BobWhitelaw John Tracey spyman Bluestone Trevor H

    No firing squads please Bob things must be done quietly we don’t want any noises giving Deborah or Lone Widow a migraine.

    Nothing will ever beat Orange but independents have won the bi election seats often before and the hit and runs are not exactly being good local members. 

  27. lone widow spyman John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw  points taken LONEWIDOW.

    I am at the mercy of the more experienced and knowledgeable experts,like JOHN and BOB…I have no idea about what has happened,or what is happening even today,as I am south of the border. but I am passionate enough to contribute on every aspect or topic when I feel I need to say something.whether its learned correctly or not,its not that important,its how things get deciphered and how that is used in principal towards any goals that are requiring input.

    the entire concept on SUPERTRACKS Is shared by many who have posted.mine is just my own personal indulgence of what I see COULD be helpful. my opinion though only goes as far as this forum. because I have no real input or say on the outcomes.

    but,i visualise a SUPERTRACK as a domainant and superior set up. how that is actually formed,is down to designers,and acceptance of who is footing the bill.imagine this…..close down 30 tracks,utilise 6 as SUPERS and how does that affect that financials of GRNSW? I HAVE NO IDEA,MAYBE john MAY,BUT AS YET,THERE IS NO REAL EXISTENCE OF WHAT A  SUPERTRACK CONSISTS OF.

    I have pulled these thoughts apart,and I see costs as being the biggest hindrance….ok,let the costers work that out,but coming from another angle,say we build a top class restaurant on the track.we build it at our cost,but lease it out to a qualified RESTRAUNTER who knows how food should be prepared and what type of food that suits that area the track is in….no use serving FILLET MIGNON if the locals can only afford a bucket of chips and sauce….so to speak…..and that leassor,has the rights to serve and run it as a business as many days he wants….he just pays the GRNSW a fee for rental/use(rough but you get the gist in the space we have describing it)….so that covers the food angle.

    we have a facility that can cater for a VETERINARY FACILITY….same principal applies….lease it out to a vet who looks after greys as well as domestics.

    a produce supplier, a meat supplier,whatever can be utilised,can all be set up to cater for our side of the fence,but also the local commumity.

    crikey,even a dojo could be leased in a hall on the track…..its just using all what is available at our disposal.

    so we now have tracks and surfaces and widths and whether straights or horseshoe and widths etc; that is where the real experts come in. and as JOHN pointed out in another part,we only need 2 tracks to make the TABS/SKY CHANNEL content….as people in most zones don’t go to the track,unless a CUPS night etc;….that is all rough around the edges,but when compiled as one,its a SUPERTRACK,and that is what we need desperately.

    so its the SUM OF MANY PARTS that gets the end result.

    if current tracks can be updated,by all means. if the land Is there,then that’s what we need exactly. do one ,say at RICHMOND,set up the perfect way with all ticks,and then run it and see where we stand.if it works,then begin the second….but slowly closing down tracks and piping those funds towards the SUPERTRACK.

    if the land is there,then your question is answered.

  28. spyman lone widow John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw Its been pointed out to us by successful sports, racing, entertainment expert,that the super track concept is our future  and this concept   should be looking out side the square as far as secondary  income is concern which will support a viable and progressive code of racing . Example Cessnock is ideal for  Supertrack   and ticks all the Boxes, Vet ,Produce, aquatic  pool winery sales, restaurant, and a first class entertainment center and over night accommodation  for over nighter’s,which is already in place.  Cessnock is the  No2 tourist destination in NSW and No 7 in Australia,now  with saying that  Cessnock can tap into that at different times of the year.Now up to 10 million is injected into the Local Economy  some weekends, even though at the moment Cessnock Track is only picking up a little of that money that comes into the Town and there’s is no racing  conducted  at the Track, the potential is anonymous and with the NSW government having a massive surplus, LOL, there is no reason why this can not happen, the only hurdle is its a safe Labor seat !

  29. spyman lone widow John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H BobWhitelaw

    Spyman it is good to have a conversation  about anything but you are looking at the situation from the Victorian view were the greyhounds are advantaged by the TAB and the Treasury treatment of income from wagering and gaming receipts that are generally distributed to the NFP and Charity rather than the NSW System where the greyhounds are suppressed by the agreements. The NSW Government had comfort originally that the Victorian review would bring the Victorian racing back to the NSW model as they were convinced that the review would not work.

    The NSW system should be to give the TAB as little product as cheaply as it can and enjoy spending the rest. This may be possible through the future fund to provide welfare infrastructure on the existing NSW Tracks.

    There is a small opportunity for greyhound racing to remain viable if it can capitalise on the need for welfare services as a way of receiving secondary income.

    The above is a judgement call and it is up to all to consider it one way or another.

    In NSW the poker machine clubs have massive infra-structure with some costing more than 100 million each for their infrastructure and the NSW have no reserves to build any type of infrastructure .

    The building of Stadiums in Melbourne with advanced hospitality might work as there is less competition in Victoria. To some degree the million per year infrastructure spend in Ireland part;y from the Tourist department was working early at least but this only produced 1 stadium per year..

  30. being an outsider of the state of NSW, I ask this question,not knowing the answer or how the state views such thoughts.

    IF, SUPERTRACKS were built,could they not only be set up as the hubs of the industry,but be allowed POKIES RIGHTS to supplement incomes?

    SANDOWN PARK in Victoria survives nicely with such a set up. can it be legally done and why not apply now for a licence at the tracks designated to MAYBE be supertracks.

  31. BobWhitelaw spyman lone widow John Tracey Bluestone Trevor H

    Cessnock shows the way on how to get secondary income for  show grounds without dipping into the public like Redfern Park (90 million) to provide a twee feeder service for another sporting venture and all clubs should be interested in how Cessnock have existed without calling on the services of the Public Service Cabal that ran the marketing and promotion project to ban greyhound racing and dressed up the previous Minister for Racing in a three piece suit (without a hat) and appeared three paces behind the Premier at the Country Press Conferences.

  32. John Tracey BobWhitelaw spyman lone widow Bluestone Trevor H John as for Ministers the  only real change is their seats and both will be on shaky ground at the next state election as for Toole he supported the closure of Greyhound industry as did Grant !

  33. BobWhitelaw John Tracey spyman lone widow Bluestone Trevor H Thats right, the gaming and racing has been given a low profile and the politicians that supported the greyhounds outright have suffered in the restructure so for any of the Country Clubs that are feeling a bit timid they should consider that people have made great sacrifices on their behalf at their own personal career costs.

    The combined control board teams on the National Greyhound Body failure to support greyhound racing in real terms have probably cost the NSW Government the next election and they have certainly done damage to the National Party (but the Nationals have caused a lot of the problems themselves). The mighty National Greyhound Body may also be able to take credit for the possible fall of the current Federal Government but more important to us they may be able to wreck the trade agreements between Australia and their Pacific and Asian partners.

    Spyman.

    Can you look at a real center of excellence the Melbourne Tennis Center who have spent about million of Public Money on updating the Rod Laver and Margaret Court Arena. Real Tennis was essentially an Anglo sport (with French connections) and followed the pattern of greyhound activity particularly from the eighteenth century. I note now tennis in a short period includes most countries showing the growth of the world wide middle class, The main sponsor and presenter come from other than English speaking countries.

    Can we learn from the Melbourne Tennis adventure.